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The pursuing is the afloat transcript of a sheet with Mayors Eileen Higgins, David Holt, Quinton Lucas and Mark Freeman, a information of which aired connected "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" connected Feb. 1, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome backmost to Face The Nation. We're joined present by a bipartisan radical of mayors from crossed the country. Republican David Holt of Oklahoma City, Democrat Eileen Higgins of Miami, Democrat Quinton Lucas of Kansas City, and Republican Mark Freeman of Mesa, Arizona. And it's bully to person you each present successful municipality astatine the array together, speaking successful a bipartisan way. There are truthful galore things that you spot connected the crushed operating your cities, and what we spot successful our polling, again and again, is the fig 1 contented for radical erstwhile they accidental it's the economy, what they truly mean is the outgo of living, and the biggest contributor to that truly is housing, structure costs close present truly burdening people. And I privation to commencement with you, Mayor Higgins, Miami, we looked it up, it's the slightest affordable rental marketplace of immoderate large city. Median terms for condos and azygous household homes up much than 80% since COVID, truthful galore radical moved successful determination astir that play of time. You've been trying to marque authorities onshore disposable to make on. Is that working? Are you going to marque a dent successful prices?
MAYOR EILEEN HIGGINS: Well, what I tin archer you is the largest landowners successful galore communities are municipal governments. And anterior to becoming mayor, I served connected our region committee for 8 years, and during that clip by activating region owned land, peculiarly onshore astir transit stations, I was capable to, successful a abbreviated play of time, physique oregon rehabilitate 4,000 units of affordable and workforce housing, and we person astir 3,000 much successful the pipeline. So that is simply a large contributor, and it tin beryllium utilized better, and surely I mean to bash truthful astatine the city. When you're gathering stuff, costs are high, right? Cost of land, outgo of concrete, outgo of steel, outgo of labor. So if outgo of onshore tin beryllium taken retired of that equation, it makes it easier to physique affordable and workforce housing. And the different happening that's truly important that authorities tin bash is marque it faster to physique it, and 1 of the initiatives I undertook astatine the region was to wholly revamp however we licence affordable housing, and astatine that- astatine our constituent successful time, we could licence a 12-story gathering successful little than 4 months. Now, portion of the crushed I was elected politician of the metropolis of Miami was radical trusted maine connected gathering lodging that is affordable for our workers, and to bash it successful grounds time. So my apical precedence astatine the metropolis is to hole a breached permitting system, where, close now, it tin instrumentality 2 to 3 years earlier you tin adjacent interruption crushed connected affordable lodging project. So precise important that cities wage attraction to their bureaucracy, marque it arsenic tiny arsenic possible, due to the fact that each time you're waiting and permitting is the time the costs spell up.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, and this has go specified a nationalist issue. I mean, Mayor Holt, you've heard President Trump contented this enforcement bid saying he's going to prohibition organization investors from processing successful existent estate, azygous household homes. Is it organization investors that are truly the problem? I mean, what is it successful Oklahoma City that's benignant of holding up immoderate of that escaped abstraction to make affordable housing?
MAYOR DAVID HOLT: Cost. Cost of construction, outgo of materials. You know, as- arsenic Mayor Higgins conscionable referenced, of course, we each are looking astatine our permitting and regulations and making definite that's as--
MARGARET BRENNAN: That's each section level stuff.
MAYOR HOLT: That's each section level stuff, yeah. I deliberation astatine the nationalist level, we surely spot country for partnership, though, everybody's got to bash their portion and surely we can't inquire the national authorities to beryllium a spouse successful this if we're not doing the benignant of things that you could- inquire each 1 of us, and I stake you we've got similar 5 antithetic things we're moving connected close present connected housing, but we've been present successful Washington speaking with 1 dependable connected this and seeking a national partnership, and it has been conscionable arsenic bipartisan arsenic this table. We are gathering this week, we heard and had a sojourn from, you know, Senator Warren, who has a measure with Republican Senator Tim Scott, who besides sent a message, and of course, we've been moving connected the House broadside arsenic good with a bipartisan group, Congressman Flood, Congressman Cleaver, truthful there's a batch of question here, and there's a batch of interest, and surely we besides invited the continued involvement of- of President Trump and the administration, but nary of that volition be- nary of this volition beryllium the metallic bullet. But if we're each moving connected it, we volition beryllium hitting astatine what you described correctly, which is that lodging is the azygous top outgo successful each household budget. So if you privation to, if you privation to code affordability, if that's the governmental ticker connection of 2026 past I would adhd to it, lodging is however you're going to bash that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right and you- erstwhile you speech astir convening each these people, you're the president close present of the mayors--
MAYOR HOLT: I americium the existent president of the United States Conference of Mayors. A 100-year-old enactment that- that has- speaks for 1,400 mayors, had 300 mayors present successful Washington this week.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And they each person this aforesaid problem?
MAYOR HOLT: Absolutely, yeah, I mean to antithetic degrees and successful antithetic ways, but there's not a azygous politician who said, no, I'm bully connected housing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
MAYOR DAVID HOLT: Yeah, everybody- this is our fig 1 issue.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Number 1 issue. Mayor Lucas, retired successful Kansas City, you've tried to make affordable lodging via a spot fund.
MAYOR QUINTON LUCAS: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I deliberation that's winding down, though. Did it marque a difference? Do you inactive person the benignant of shortage that is simply a problem?
MAYOR LUCAS: You know, it made a tremendous difference. The situation successful each of our cities. My metropolis of astir fractional a cardinal people, I deliberation needs astir 28,000 much units. I deliberation everyone astir the array volition person akin numbers challenges, and truthful we are making a dent successful a problem. But I deliberation the archetypal measurement we request is to place much resources. In a batch of cases, to place much land. And we are seeing progress. The question, I think, for the American metropolis is, however bash you money it agelong term. If we don't spot much national backing agelong term, states aren't arsenic heavy successful the concern arsenic they utilized to be. Are you looking connected enslaved obligations for section taxpayers? More backstage investment? Permitting and regulatory burdens are a immense portion of what we're trying to do. But it is interesting, you are seeing needfully non-partisan solutions to this, due to the fact that you request backstage assemblage nationalist investment, onshore usage reforms, everything nether the prima to marque definite you tin marque a change.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And bash you spot the- moving with the national authorities really being collaborative astatine this point?
MAYOR LUCAS: You know, the national authorities has been precise collaborative. There are surely ever immoderate clasp ups and issues, and I deliberation that exists from medication to administration, making definite we tin get backing from HUD much efficiently, making definite that there's a absorption connected existent lodging reform. But frankly, we admit that there's not a batch moving successful Washington immoderate days, but this measure connected lodging is 1 of them. And truthful we bash spot progress. We spot an medication that's talking to america connected it, and we anticipation and judge that everyone understands that lodging is halfway to however we marque our cities amended agelong term.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I tin corroborate that a batch is stuck successful Washington. Your remark is close there. Mayor, fto maine inquire you, due to the fact that retired successful Arizona, we looked, determination is conscionable similar statewide, this colonisation roar that has happened, and that's adding to not conscionable the lodging shortage. You got a h2o situation retired determination to enactment this population. We checked, and the renters successful Arizona are spending astatine slightest 30% of their income connected housing. How bash you offset each of those strains?
MAYOR MARK FREEMAN: Well, for Mesa, Arizona, what we've done is- we're a unsocial city. We don't person a superior spot tax, nor bash we person a taxation connected food, truthful erstwhile you spell to the market store –
MARGARET BRENNAN: You're trying to get much radical to determination determination now?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Well, on with the h2o situation you brought up, we're not successful a h2o crisis. In fact, Mayor Gallego and I person formed a h2o conjugation to wherever we're moving connected h2o strategies and portfolios, due to the fact that we person a 100 twelvemonth assured h2o proviso for Arizona, particularly for each our municipalities, and that allows america to conscionable the lodging needs that we request successful our assemblage and affordability, and we're holding our prices down successful Mesa and our surrounding areas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you don't spot it arsenic a h2o situation close now, adjacent though you person this benignant of messy interstate conflict implicit the Colorado River and- and h2o supplies?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Well, just- I americium a farmer, truthful I bash farm. I usage h2o to irrigate my crops with, and we are having a h2o contented with the precocious basin and little basin states. So that little basin, which I'm in, is consenting to negociate with the precocious basin and to proceed to get further waters to Arizona, that- which we decidedly need. I mean, Arizona, Mesa, we person experienced a 775,000 acre ft chopped of water. We are the inferior partners connected the Colorado River, wherever different states are not. So we've taken our stock of cuts. So we privation solutions. That's what we need.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we'll- we'll beryllium watching that, due to the fact that I judge that interstate struggle is lone facing much deadlines and pressure. But fto maine travel backmost to you, Mayor Higgins, we checked Bank of America lists Miami arsenic 1 of the apical cities with the largest colonisation nonaccomplishment twelvemonth implicit year. Seventy percent radical determination went- who were leaving chose to spell elsewhere successful the South. What is it that's driving the migration out? After you person this roar during COVID, radical present leaving? Is that owed to conscionable affordability? Is that owed to thing else?
MAYOR HIGGINS: We are inactive blessed with a batch of companies that are locating their office and choosing Miami arsenic their home. And truthful certainly, we proceed to spot radical moving there. Now we did have, I guess, the- the COVID Boom, of radical that came down for a portion that weren't intending to marque Florida their imperishable home. And truthful immoderate of them person gone- gone backmost to different places, but astatine the extremity of the day, we inactive person a robust assemblage of our assemblage that is there. They've ever been there. And truthful my occupation present is to marque definite with these caller tech companies and AI companies and cyber companies that are locating and calling Miami location to link our workforce to those precocious paying jobs, due to the fact that we person traditionally been a work assemblage economy. And it's large to person a hospitality economy. Those thin to beryllium debased wage jobs with debased benefits, and truthful workforce improvement programs, peculiarly successful practice with Miami Dade College, to hole our workers for these tech jobs, is the mode to marque definite we are addressing affordability done wages, not conscionable done the outgo of housing, giving them entree to the careers they deserve, and to harness the accidental that is locating with these companies successful Miami.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So I privation to travel backmost to tech, but let's conscionable proceed connected this taxable of labour and supply. Immigration is specified a heated contented successful this state close now, and enforcement successful particular. There's- astatine the nationalist level, this hostility we're seeing, peculiarly successful the aftermath of the shootings successful Minnesota, betwixt the national authorities and past authorities and section authorities. I privation to recognize however you're reasoning astir this, due to the fact that I saw your connection that called for wide de-escalation. None of your cities are technically sanctuary cities. All of them comply with requests from the national authorities to cooperate connected migration enforcement. That's- that's antithetic from places similar Minneapolis. Mayor Freeman, we checked, 4% of the colonisation successful Arizona is undocumented, according to Pew. As I recognize it, you person constricted practice with ICE, and you manus radical implicit to national authorities if they person an migration infraction, but your section authorities picked them up for thing else, right? That's what, successful effect, that argumentation means. Why does that enactment for you erstwhile it doesn't enactment successful places similar Minneapolis and you person this precocious grade of hostility and this standoff?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Well I- personally, I think- that's a large question, but I deliberation there's immoderate misinterpretation- excuse me, of it due to the fact that successful Mesa, we person an statement with ICE. But however, it's lone connected infractions that whitethorn beryllium a civilian infraction, and truthful we don't person a jailhouse successful Mesa, Arizona. So we spell to a holding facility, and we've been moving with ICE for- since 2009 with an statement that we recovered precise palmy with. But much importantly, what we're doing successful Mesa, I've taken- I've elevated it to the adjacent level. We person Dia de Muertos, the Day of the Dead, that we person with our Hispanic-Latino community. We person El Grito, who's the liberation of Spain from Mexico. So we person these large experiences successful Mesa, Arizona, our downtown country successful practice with our Latino-Hispanic area. And I conscionable with our pastors arsenic good to marque definite that everything is going good connected their end.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you don't consciousness the hostility astatine the section level close now, similar the statement we're having arsenic a country.
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MAYOR FREEMAN: No, I don't feel--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are radical talking astir it?
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MAYOR FREEMAN: Yeah, they speech astir it successful our community, but I'm gathering with the radical who are really affected by it, and they find comfortableness successful knowing that our metropolis stands acceptable to enactment them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So there's nary protestation oregon unit to- to alteration your existent policies much towards thing similar retired successful Minneapolis?
MAYOR FREEMAN: No, there's no- I mean, there's pressures each the clip from different organizations, but we basal coagulated successful our committedness to supply information to our neighborhoods and to our Latino-Hispanic communities, and we- we enactment with them each week, each month.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mayor Holt, I privation to inquire you astir your city, but besides successful this enactment relation you have. Like, however are you counseling mayors to spell done this close now? This is simply a existent unit astatine the national level to sometimes alteration section laws oregon authorities laws.
MAYOR HOLT: Well, I don't know- a few- a fewer observations successful absorption to that. I mean, archetypal off, it's truly important to constituent retired that we person enforced migration laws successful this state for implicit a century. ICE has been astir for 2 decades. There was adjacent a erstwhile Trump medication that- and successful nary of those times did you spot this level of chaos successful our cities. I recognize successful the erstwhile Trump administration, determination was contention astir things astatine the border. But- but I'm talking astir each the, you know, 1,000 miles from the borderline area--
MARGARET BRENNAN: -- interior enforcement--
MAYOR HOLT: -- successful places similar Minneapolis. So, it's- we tin look backmost to erstwhile eras of normality and admit that determination are ways to competently enforce migration laws successful this country. And I deliberation that's what we're benignant of asking for is that benignant of pivot backmost to a caller strategy that whitethorn beryllium an aged strategy, and I deliberation we each judge that this medication prioritizes a higher level of enforcement. But what we're seeing successful the conflicts successful the streets of Minneapolis is conscionable evidently unacceptable, and we're inactive benignant of reeling from what happened past Saturday. And you know, we're mostly encouraged that the medication seems to beryllium exploring that pivot, you know. And of course, we recognize it takes clip to benignant of get the close unit successful spot and marque the policies so, I mean, we're giving them that space. But what was happening successful Minneapolis that benignant of culminated successful the 2nd decease of a protester past Saturday is evidently thing that we would each fearfulness to hap successful our cities. And we- we fearfulness that that benignant of chaos was starting to perchance creep astir the country. I deliberation the different happening I privation to observe, though, is that mayors are surely caught successful a small spot of an intolerable situation, because, you know, we instrumentality these roles with our main work being the extortion of our residents, and we're adjacent fixed a constabulary department, radical with guns to assistance america successful that pursuit. But determination is simply a happening called the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, and erstwhile the national authorities and national instrumentality enforcement comes into your city, we are afloat subservient to that successful the eyes of the law, and we besides judge successful the regularisation of law. So we get caught benignant of successful the mediate of these tensions, and we request a national authorities who volition usage discretion and restraint with that power, and that has mostly worked for the past 250 years. So- truthful I deliberation we- we conscionable request to punctual everybody that this is possible. And I deliberation you spot mayors possibly messaging immoderate of that to our residents, immoderate of it to Congress, immoderate of it to administration, conscionable trying to find a blessed mean for everybody wherever we tin coexist with each of these inherent tensions that, of course, person ever existed and we person mostly been capable to- to manage.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, but that's wherefore I deliberation it's truthful absorbing to speech to you each arsenic mayors, due to the fact that you really person to woody with these radical time to time and unafraid their safety, arsenic you said. But also, you know, stay compliant. In Oklahoma, it looks similar the Highway Patrol works with ICE to behaviour stings, truthful you bash person immoderate moving unneurotic of authorities and federal--
MAYOR HOLT: Yeah I mean its a authorities agency, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. That is not our constabulary department.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right, but erstwhile you spot that moving together, is it smooth? Are determination tensions present due to the fact that of what conscionable happened successful the past fewer weeks? Like, are radical questioning whether these policies should stay?
MAYOR HOLT: Well, I mean, fto maine differentiate and marque it clear
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do radical look astatine Minneapolis and accidental that could hap here, is what I'm asking.
MAYOR HOLT: Every politician successful America, present successful DC was- was- was feeling that mode and and again, not because, not due to the fact that immoderate of america deliberation that determination shouldn't beryllium migration enforcement close now. I mean, this is not the question. It's conscionable however is it managed? I mean, we person immoderate politician colleagues that were erstwhile constabulary chiefs, for example, person truly large expertise successful instrumentality enforcement. We're each amateurs, right, but, but these are radical who did this for a living, and they're telling us, they look astatine these videos and they spot constabulary tactics that haven't been you utilized anyplace successful 30 years successful a section instrumentality enforcement agency, that these are- these are not the cutting borderline techniques of instrumentality enforcement that we person been using- our constabulary departments person been utilizing for the past 4th period to physique spot with our communities, and truthful that's what's- it's- it's- it's not the idea- we're not truly arguing astir whether this state should enforce immigration. Everybody believes that. I mean not everybody, but the wide swath of the American nationalist does. But what we are arguing astir is- is constabulary tactics and strategies and managing engagement with residents connected the street. You know, we person built truthful overmuch spot successful these past fewer years and worked truly hard astatine that. And evidently this- this full situation, has- has threatened to erode that trust.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, Mayor Lucas, I privation to travel to you connected this thought of however the national authorities is trying to instrumentality migration successful your city, due to the fact that we checked, and I judge you- you person a akin acquisition retired successful Oklahoma too, wherever the national authorities is looking to crook concern warehouses into ample standard detention facilities for up to 10,000 people. That has caused immoderate friction successful Kansas City. You person tried to alteration things. You passed a metropolis ordinance to combat it. Can you really halt the national authorities from doing it?
MAYOR LUCAS: You know, I deliberation there's a important question to it. The radical of Kansas City person asked america to marque sure, though, that we basal up for- successful this situation, elemental zoning, that we marque definite that we stock what is the viewpoint of the radical of Kansas City. There perfectly is simply a Supremacy Clause. There's besides a 10th Amendment. And truthful successful our view, that is- which is reserved to the States, which includes section zoning, section constabulary powers, peculiarly wherever backstage contractors are successful the transaction with the city, we person the accidental to engage. There's been a agelong combat adjacent america successful Leavenworth, Kansas, you cognize it for situation and a subject base, wherever they've besides managed to cull the placement of a national installation moving done a backstage enterprise. So we wanted to marque wide not lone that radical mostly didn't privation a 10,000 idiosyncratic detention installation adjacent them, but besides that they person to spell done things similar zoning a peculiar usage permit. It sounds successful immoderate mode boring. It is halfway to what authorities is. But I deliberation taking america from possibly the governmental issue, there's the elemental one, which is successful each of our communities, we privation to marque definite radical are treated humanely. Converting a gigantic organisation installation adjacent to railroad tracks and each of that into a warehouse for 10,000 radical for which it was ne'er designed is not right, and it is fundamentally thing that is inhumane and inhospitable, astatine slightest to the senses that we person successful Kansas City, and I would taxable to you astir American cities. So whether it is converting elephantine organisation facilities into wide detention warehouses, whether it's Alligator Alcatraz successful Florida oregon thing nether the sun. I deliberation you are seeing communities say, we privation to marque definite that if determination volition beryllium detention, if determination volition beryllium enforcement, it is accordant with law principles longterm.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Can you halt it? Do you cognize yet?
MAYOR LUCAS: You know, I deliberation that astir apt that beryllium a national territory tribunal determination I person seen, determination person been galore zoning battles implicit the years astir what tin beryllium done. I deliberation the information that you chiefly person backstage enterprises that are looking to physique these past lease to the authorities creates immoderate level of a question.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And conscionable connected you, Mayor, quickly, I saw that the owners of the warehouse are present trying to not merchantability the spot to Homeland Security--
MAYOR HOLT: Correct yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is this due to the fact that radical conscionable don't privation it successful their backyard?
Well, yeah, I mean, this is, this is actually, I deliberation this full question is interesting, due to the fact that it's really wherever we tin find a batch of unity. It's a onshore usage question. It's not a governmental question oregon adjacent an migration question. It's- It's--
MARGARET BRENNAN: --Well, for immoderate people, it is, right?
MAYOR HOLT: Yeah. I mean, maybe, but, but also, like, you tin beryllium for- you tin beryllium for a precise assertive attack from ICE and not privation to unrecorded adjacent to a detention center, right? So it becomes a NIMBY issue-
MARGARET BRENNAN: --Yeah. Not successful my backyard--
MAYOR HOLT: And we besides person a cardinal content ever successful section control, and the content that if there's a onshore usage question, it should beryllium adjudicated astatine the section level. There should beryllium hearings, and radical should beryllium capable to talk, and determination should beryllium votes. And, you know, erstwhile the national government, however, historically, acquires onshore successful a metropolis due to the fact that of the Supremacy Clause, they don't inquire for a thing. They don't inquire for a zoning approval, they don't inquire for a gathering permit. They conscionable bash it. And that's the hostility inherent here. But it's benignant of casual for mayors to acceptable speech the governmental dynamic present and conscionable say, "Hey, that's a precocious interaction use." A detention center. We person a peculiar licence request for that. We would truly similar to spell done a process, instrumentality that done a process, and truthful yeah, Kansas City passed a solution to effort and make a- what whitethorn yet beryllium adjudicated flashpoint implicit that question. In our concern successful Oklahoma City, the installation that was proposed, present the owners are not- not- nary longer engaging with DHS implicit that conversation, but we'll spot wherever each that goes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And earlier we leave, the taxable of immigration, Mayor Higgins, astir 7% of Florida is undocumented, according to Pew. In Miami, the constabulary cooperate with ICE. But you, during your campaign, were precise captious of that determination to cooperate. Can you alteration the argumentation without the politician being connected board?
MAYOR HIGGINS: We were- the politician issued a request that section municipalities cooperate with ICE, and galore municipalities, including the metropolis of Miami, earlier I became mayor, signed that agreement. It is precise hard to unwind. It would instrumentality a ballot of our metropolis committee to bash so. So obviously, arsenic mayor, I mean to comply with the law, and truthful what we person done successful our 1,500 idiosyncratic constabulary section is we person trained 3 individuals, should ICE telephone that are capable to reply that telephone and enactment with them. Obviously, we're going to comply with the law, but we are not going to assistance beyond that, due to the fact that successful my assemblage successful South Florida, we are the astir affected. ICE and its tactics person been successful my assemblage for implicit a year. They person been causing large fearfulness and panic successful our residents. I cannot spell anyplace without gathering someone, my brother, my uncle, my sister, Alligator Alcatraz, nary sabemos donde esta, we don't cognize wherever they person been taken, and that has been going connected for months. It is inhumane. It is cruel. I'm a Catholic. It's- I tin hardly grapple with the deficiency of humanity astir each this. And past what we person precise otherwise from immoderate different community, successful Miami Dade County, which we are portion of, astir 15% of our colonisation has TPS. So you're talking to--
MARGARET BRENNAN: --Temporary Protected Status--
MAYOR HIGGINS: --Temporary Protected Status. You're talking astir betwixt 250 and 300,000 individuals that would- that person dilatory but surely, wherever they've mislaid status, but go overnight illegals successful the eyes of the national government. And this enforcement successful our Nicaraguan community, our Honduran community, our Venezuelan community, has driven galore radical into hiding. Children are not going to school, and obviously, ICE is deporting them. Tuesday night, we look a very, precise dire situation. Our Haitian assemblage loses its entree to TPS astatine midnight. 20% of TPS recipients with Haitian practice enactment successful wellness care. So connected Wednesday, we are talking astir nursing homes, location wellness attraction aides, hospitals, nurses, doc aides, each of them are going to beryllium retired of a occupation erstwhile they aftermath up connected Wednesday.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because their ineligible pathway and presumption is going to beryllium revoked and abruptly they go illegal--
MAYOR HIGGINS: -Yes, and unnecessarily. Haiti is not safe. Venezuela is not safe. TPS should beryllium extended instantly for Venezuelans. It was erased with the changeable of a pen. It tin beryllium enactment successful spot with the changeable of a pen, and TPS for Haitian immigrants should perfectly positively beryllium extended. Our system is astatine involvement and our humanity is astatine stake.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We're going to ticker that processing story. We've been talking astir it present connected 'Face The Nation.' I privation to rapidly get to you each connected 1 of the large drain connected resources that we've been seeing but besides perchance a jobs boom, and that's successful the tech space, peculiarly with these information centers that are being built. Out successful Arizona, of course, taxpayers astatine the nationalist level person funded this immense machine spot concern that's happening retired successful Arizona. How bash you equilibrium technological innovation and maintaining entree to h2o and making vigor affordable. How bash you bash that?
MAYOR FREEMAN: Well, we bash it collaboratively with our vigor supplier. You cognize 1 happening astir Arizona, we're truly fortunate. We person TSMC, who's the largest semiconductor shaper successful the world, successful Phoenix. And truthful that ripple effect with that shaper has caused a batch of large things for Arizona, particularly for Mesa. We person 30 Japanese companies, Korean companies, Taiwanese companies successful Mesa supplying things for the semiconductor industry. And h2o is simply a cardinal happening on with that, and we proceed to incorporated that. We've worked with Arizona State University connected their precocious technology. We have- they conscionable opened up $180 cardinal facility, 100 cardinal dollars worthy of robots successful determination to thatch astir precocious tech, and that's going to bring jobs. That's going to bring affordability to the metropolis of Mesa due to the fact that past it volition let radical to person precocious paying jobs and beryllium capable to conscionable the needs and demands of surviving and work. Now, did you privation to get into h2o or--?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well you conscionable sold maine successful each the bully things, but you practically are going to person to fig retired each the different things too, similar higher vigor prices, and you already said it's not a h2o crisis, but it's a h2o issue?
MAYOR FREEMAN: It is simply a h2o contented due to the fact that I told you that we person a 100-year assured h2o proviso successful Arizona, and it's a request for cities to determination guardant with that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let maine get to you here. Mayor Holt, vigor prices successful Oklahoma Up 7% year-over-year. How overmuch is the tech roar driving up the vigor costs?
MAYOR HOLT: I don't know. I think--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it?
MAYOR HOLT: I would- I would, I would emotion for idiosyncratic to accidental Oklahoma City is having a tech boom, actually, so.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, you've got information centers--
MAYOR HOLT: Well, there's--
MARGARET BRENNAN: --in the state.
MAYOR HOLT: --there's immoderate proposals, yeah, successful the state, there's immoderate proposals coming guardant to enactment them successful the city. And I deliberation we're inactive trying to fig retired what we truly deliberation astir that. I deliberation we each are. And if you'd- if I'd been connected the acceptable six months agone and you asked maine astir information centers, I would, I don't cognize what you're talking about, this is embarrassing. But, but present it's similar the- everything--
MARGARET BRENNAN: It's a immense contented astatine the section level--
MAYOR HOLT: --It's a immense issue. We each got them coming guardant with zoning proposals and, and the request for h2o and energy. I volition accidental and we don't person each the details astatine my fingertips, but portion of the crushed we travel unneurotic is champion practices and Lansing, Michigan would beryllium worthy a Google due to the fact that they precocious came to an statement with idiosyncratic opening a information center, and the politician shared each that with america this week, and it sounded pretty- similar a beauteous bully deal. Right? So I deliberation that's going to be- I deliberation we're each trying to find benchmarks and effort to find, like, okay, if we're going to bash this, what should we beryllium asking for? And, and the Lansing, Michigan exemplary sounded beauteous impressive. But, I mean, you know, we're each funny successful jobs and concern successful our cities, but evidently we got to marque definite the outgo payment investigation yet works.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And past question to you, Mayor Lucas, much than 30 AI information centers successful Kansas City? I had nary idea.
MAYOR LUCAS: Yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How are you managing that, though?
MAYOR LUCAS: You know, I deliberation it is highly controversial. So you perceive astir the benefits, mostly the treatment of the benefits are the revenues that travel some to section government, obviously, the companies, the tech jobs, though determination aren't that galore that travel with each information center. The challenges are this--
MARGARET BRENNAN: --there aren't?
MAYOR LUCAS: Right. There- you're utilizing a batch of land, you are utilizing a batch of inferior resources, and you're utilizing the grid rather a bit. And truthful adjacent though you whitethorn person the champion contracts agelong term, the question that isn't conscionable astatine the metropolis level, but truly for nationalist regulatory commissions astatine the authorities level and beyond, is however overmuch is excessively much? How overmuch successful 1 assemblage bash you privation to beryllium babelike connected 1 economical sector, and fundamentally, bash you privation this ample standard of a usage crossed the thoroughfare from somebody's location successful their vicinity with each of those challenges?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I cognize we'll beryllium tracking it much connected 'Face The Nation.' Thank you each for joining america successful this bipartisan fashion.
MAYOR HOLT: This is what we do, this is mayors.
MAYOR HIGGINS: This is normal.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Hey, this is Washington, okay. It's large to spot you guys sitting down and talking to each different and having a speech astir existent issues that interaction existent people. Thank you each for joining us. We'll beryllium close back.
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