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The pursuing is the transcript of an interrogation with Retired Army General Stanley McChrystal that aired connected "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" connected May 18, 2025.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We're joined present by retired General Stanley McChrystal, whose caller publication is "On Character: Choices That Define a Life." Good greeting to you.
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Thanks for having me, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you constitute that quality is simply a prime built upon our profoundly held beliefs. Sounds similar you truly deliberation there's a deficiency of it these days, we surely spot there's a nonaccomplishment of spot successful galore of our country's institutions, whether it's the national government, journalism, the courts. How bash you picture our nationalist quality close present and the leaders we have?
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: I deliberation it's confused. If you look astatine polling, arsenic you conscionable referred to the deficiency of trust, similar 22% of Americans a twelvemonth agone had spot successful the U.S. government. Only 34% had spot successful different Americans. So I deliberation we each benignant of intuitively cognize we person a existent problem, but what I would reason is our nationalist leaders are not the origin of the problem, they're the grounds of the problem. The origin is america astatine our idiosyncratic level, our unwillingness to deliberation astir character, to speech astir character, and to request character. And I would besides reason that we're besides the cure. There is simply a grounds that we spot and we're distracted by it, each the things that we are disappointed by, radical lying, radical doing things that we find beneath us. As a nation, our quality is our fate. And truthful what I'm trying to bash is person radical to commencement a nationalist speech connected quality with the thought it starts astatine the bottom, not astatine the top. We request to commencement it down wherever things really happen, connected farms, successful schools. We've conscionable sent retired 240 copies of the publication to assemblage sports coaches to effort to person them commencement conscionable to speech astir character. And truthful that's what I'm passionate about.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I respect the effort. You know, it's absorbing to look astatine wherever this began, not pinning it connected a person. I recognize you're trying to bash that. But is it a grounds of, it's ever been this mode we conscionable person much transparency, and frankincense we cognize much astir people's flaws? Why does this look to beryllium gathering arsenic a problem?
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Well, we've ever had a occupation with definite evil successful nine and corruption, deficiency of character, but I deliberation the information that we spot everything truthful overmuch present we normalize it. We commencement to judge things successful celebrities oregon leaders that I frankly deliberation we wouldn't person accepted adjacent a procreation ago. And that's benignant of our problem. We springiness them our likes connected societal media, we walk our wealth with them, we ballot for them, and we cognize amended than that. And truthful I deliberation the responsibility, again, arcs backmost to us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You're not a Democrat oregon Republican you say.
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Though you did endorse Joe Biden and Kamala Harris--
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Right--
MARGARET BRENNAN: --In the past elections. Most retired subject effort to enactment retired of authorities and marque an statement that that's crossing the rubicon successful immoderate ways.
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Why did you?
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Well, of course, you spell backmost to Dwight Eisenhower and Ulysses S. Grant, they really went into politics.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Fair.
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: So determination is immoderate tradition, but that was not my extremity to get into politics. I conscionable felt that we had deed a play successful which we were truthful adrift arsenic a federation successful presumption of character, we were accepting thing that is not arsenic bully arsenic we are susceptible of. So I made a decision, and I'll beryllium honest, it was tough, due to the fact that there's a batch of pushback from peers and from outsiders that accidental you shouldn't get political. But I don't deliberation that saying that America should basal up for its values and for its quality is needfully political.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we had, successful the past, conversations with different guests that question astir what does America basal for, and does it matter. There is simply a displacement much towards pragmatism, oregon what's successful it for me, connected the nationalist scale. That's precise overmuch successful our authorities close now.
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: And I deliberation it's a mistake for the nation. If you deliberation what truly helped the United States successful the modern era, we'll telephone it aft World War II, radical admired American ideas. They admired American democracy. They admired our social, our culture. They didn't similar each portion of it, and they knew that we arsenic a federation made mistakes, but countries and radical wanted to beryllium much similar america than they wanted to beryllium similar the Soviet Union oregon different enemies. And arsenic agelong arsenic we are an illustration that radical privation to be, it gives america bonzer power and power. When it becomes transactional, erstwhile we, erstwhile we go idiosyncratic that conscionable wants thing from them, and we're unwilling to beryllium generous, we're unwilling to sacrifice for larger ideals, we suffer immoderate of our motivation lasting and I deliberation immoderate of our nationalist force, our power.
MARGARET BRENNAN: At the Pentagon close now, we perceive a batch astir values and civilization benignant of being astatine likelihood with the mission.
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Or that's however it's being described, right? Secretary Hegseth has talked a batch astir restoring the warrior ethos. That's portion of his justification for eliminating diverseness programs oregon DEI. Do you deliberation DEI truly "hurts lethality"?
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: Yeah. I americium wholly aligned with Secretary Hegseth connected the thought that we request to support the nation, that the defence section needs to beryllium arsenic effectual arsenic it tin be, and that a definite warrior ethos matters. We conscionable specify it differently. In my experience, we thin to recognize that everybody tin contribute, peculiarly successful today's modern wars. The thought that everybody's got to look a definite way, got to person biceps of a definite size, there's got to beryllium a male, straight, each these things, is not my experience. In the antagonistic violent fight, wherever overmuch of my acquisition was, it became a meritocracy. You didn't attraction what idiosyncratic looked similar oregon however aged they were, what their sex was oregon intersexual predisposition due to the fact that it was excessively important to get the occupation done. And I would reason present America needs to harness endowment from each country of our society, everyone. I would adjacent reason that if we went backmost to a draft, we could draught radical with carnal disabilities due to the fact that overmuch of what we do, that's not a artifact to that. And truthful I deliberation we request to deliberation astir what bash we request to tract the astir effectual equipped forces, and I deliberation that the DEI happening is, frankly, a distraction. It's not helpful.
MARGARET BRENNAN: In presumption of nationalist character, erstwhile you were commanding forces, the NATO-led ngo successful Afghanistan, ISAF, you cognize precise good that country. The Taliban's since taken over. We person seen them portion women and girls of adjacent the close to person their dependable heard successful public. You person seen them transportation retired retribution against Afghans who worked with our state and enactment their lives astatine risk. This past week, the Trump medication said Afghanistan is harmless capable for radical surviving present to spell back. They stripped the ineligible protections, the Temporary Protected Status. They are ending immoderate of the programs that helped to evacuate our American allies there. What bash you deliberation that says astir our quality now?
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: I deliberation it's disappointing. I personally disagree with that decision, but I besides deliberation it sends a message. What astir radical who we inquire to state with america successful the future, that we asked to spouse with us, they look astatine what happened successful the past. And truthful I deliberation our nationalist quality should beryllium bigger than that and we're susceptible of being bigger than that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: General McChrystal, convey you precise overmuch for sharing your reflections.
GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: You're benignant to person me. Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And your publication "On Character: Choices That Define a Life." We'll beryllium close back.
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