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The pursuing is the transcript of an interrogation with Tom Homan, Trump medication borderline czar, that aired connected "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" connected July 19, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we're backmost with President Trump's borderline czar, Tom Homan. Welcome backmost to Face the Nation.
TOM HOMAN: Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Homan, we saw that 2 immigrants were changeable successful the span of a week. There was that 1 successful Maine that was fatal conscionable days aft different 1 successful Houston. We besides saw that antheral fleeing agents successful Florida who past was struck and killed by a tractor trailer. I cognize you've been trying to support the section retired of the headlines ever since that streak successful Minnesota that was deadly. How bash you respond to those who accidental what's happening present looks similar precise small has changed?
TOM HOMAN: Well, you know, archetypal of all, we'll hold and spot what the investigations- however they play out, right? Because, you know, I don't privation to get up of investigations connected who's astatine fault, what precisely happened. Because we each cognize erstwhile the investigations happen, there's going to beryllium compartment telephone video, determination whitethorn beryllium metropolis cameras, and of course, past you got witnesser statements and affidavits from the officer, and- and witnesses. So, we got to fto the investigations play out. So, I don't privation to truly remark connected probe themselves, but you know, I think, you know, Markwayne Mullin, you know, took immoderate action, and successful interest of the information of the agents and- and however we bash operations, and- and that's wherefore helium did that, you know, that- that- that intermission on- connected enforcement connected conveyance stops. But you know, I- my interest is I've never- I've done this since 1984. My interest is I deliberation a batch of the rhetoric that you spot each day, particularly successful sanctuary cities, and astatine these protests that- resist, members of Congress saying ICE isn't a existent instrumentality enforcement agency. I deliberation that- I really deliberation that emboldens immoderate radical to say, "I'm not going to comply with ICE." And I deliberation nary substance what radical deliberation of ICE, nary substance what you deliberation of migration law, you should ever comply with instrumentality enforcement.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes. Yes, but successful the shootings successful some Houston and Maine, the radical who were killed were not the intended targets. Have you caught the radical you're really looking for?
TOM HOMAN: One of them, I believe, we did, but you cognize that happens successful instrumentality enforcement each the time. I mean, we're working, you know, we get leads connected individuals, and you say, okay, well, this taxable lives astatine this house, helium drives this car, and erstwhile that taxable leaves that house, you know, 6:00 successful the morning, and idiosyncratic gets successful that car from that house, you know, they assume, 'okay this is our guy, and they'll bash a conveyance stop. And depending connected erstwhile they marque that halt and and that idiosyncratic complies, either they're going to beryllium arrested oregon released. That's the mode it's expected to be. So you know, instrumentality enforcement deals with misidentity each time crossed the country, not conscionable ICE, each instrumentality enforcement agency. I was a cop, I know- I cognize that happens.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, but these were fatal shootings, of course, successful Houston and successful Maine. And successful Houston, it was an unmarked car. So, erstwhile you're saying, "don't resist," these individuals who were chasing the antheral who died, they didn't person markings connected that conveyance that would let for him to cognize that they were ICE. It conscionable looked similar a car coming aft them successful the videos.
TOM HOMAN: Well, I got to disagree with that. No, they person exigency lights. Officers person insignia, truthful erstwhile they get retired of that car and attack the car, you tin intelligibly spot the instrumentality enforcement officers. Again this is, these people--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, successful the video that has been public, the- it's not a marked car.
TOM HOMAN: --these- these people. I'm not saying it's a marked car, but they person exigency lights and sirens. So erstwhile they propulsion idiosyncratic over, they privation to activate the exigency lights. A batch of- batch of constabulary departments- I'm successful New York City close now, a batch of NYPD officers are driving unmarked vehicles, and- and that helps them find radical that don't privation to beryllium found. Right, truthful you know, but bottommost enactment is, we'll spot erstwhile the probe plays out, but they would beryllium live contiguous if they simply complied with- with a conveyance halt by national instrumentality enforcement. Just comply. You can- if you don't deliberation you've been treated close and and they had nary crushed to halt you, past there's there's avenues to instrumentality them to tribunal to sue--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the- the household of the man--
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TOM HOMAN:--and- and reason successful court.
MARGARET BRENNAN: --in Houston said that helium thought helium was being robbed due to the fact that it was an unmarked vehicle. Not that it was instrumentality enforcement astatine all.
TOM HOMAN: They- they had exigency lights. They activate exigency lights, bluish and light- you know- you know- in- successful my vehicle, I thrust wherever I'm with my information detail--
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You've seen that connected video? Because we haven't.
TOM HOMAN: Seen what connected video, ma'am?
MARGARET BRENNAN: That determination were lights. Because successful the videos that we've seen determination aren't, and due to the fact that determination weren't assemblage cameras, it is hard to substantiate immoderate of what--
TOM HOMAN: Okay--
MARGARET BRENNAN: --you are saying.
TOM HOMAN: Okay, well, I person not seen the videos, but I'm saying--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
TOM HOMAN: --our vehicles are equipped with exigency lights. Now, if they didn't activate the lights, again, I haven't seen that video. If they didn't activate the lights, past it- past there's an contented there, right?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
TOM HOMAN: But I'm saying they- they are equipped with lights- lights, truthful fto maine conscionable caveat that. They should person been equipped with lights and sirens, but I bash not cognize specifically if they activated those lights.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
TOM HOMAN: As acold arsenic the cameras, Margaret, you cognize everybody successful ICE would person a camera present if- if the authorities wasn't unopen down by Democratic members of Congress. There was wealth successful that measure that they held up.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
TOM HOMAN: I deliberation it was $120 cardinal to equip each ICE officers with cameras, but due to the fact that the authorities unopen down, we're down connected that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But they got 20 cardinal successful April.
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TOM HOMAN: But the cameras person been purchased. That wasn't enough, $20 cardinal whitethorn person bought immoderate cameras, but it doesn't bargain the- the storage. It doesn't bargain the- the resources we request for the thousands of FOIA requests we're going to get there. There has to beryllium retention capableness to clasp these videos for a agelong time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
TOM HOMAN: So it didn't money everything, but present we person the backing aft reconciliation. The cameras person been purchased close now. They're grooming the trainer successful deploying the cameras nationwide.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you deliberation it was a mistake for the Trump medication to person projected the bodycam enlargement astatine the opening of the term? Because I cognize you person advocated for assemblage cameras, and present you're playing drawback up, right?
TOM HOMAN: I deliberation body- yeah, I deliberation assemblage cameras are the mode to go. I deliberation assemblage cameras lets the American radical cognize what that serviceman sees erstwhile helium takes that action--
MARGARET BRENNAN: When volition everyone get one?
TOM HOMAN: You know, you tin person a compartment telephone camera from a witnesser connected the side. You tin have, you know, metropolis cameras oregon whatever, but I privation the American radical to spot what that serviceman sees erstwhile helium makes- erstwhile he- erstwhile helium takes- erstwhile helium makes the determination and takes the action.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
TOM HOMAN: I deliberation the American radical request to spot what that serviceman sees and hears. I deliberation it's important--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
TOM HOMAN: --and if you look astatine the data, assemblage cameras really exonerate agents much than they, you know, supply grounds of wrongdoing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, yeah, and it would surely assistance with reporting and nationalist knowledge. Let maine inquire you astir thing else. The DHS caput has said they went done nationalist records and identified 250,000 non-citizens successful 4 states: California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Nevada. I cognize those states don't stock their elector rolls, truthful it looks similar they're conscionable pulling this from nationalist information. For those states, are you readying operations earlier November? And you bash admit that it would beryllium amerciable to person national agents at- astatine predetermination locations.
TOM HOMAN: You cognize that's a question of DHS. I'm not successful the loop connected that. I'm not acquainted with the- the accusation that DHS conscionable released.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
TOM HOMAN: I'm not successful the loop connected that. I'm astatine the White House borderline czar, truthful that'd beryllium a question for Markwayne Mullin. I'm not successful the loop connected that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. All right, Mr. Homan. Thank you for your clip this morning. We'll permission it there.
TOM HOMAN: Good seeing you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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