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On this "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" broadcast, moderated by Nancy Cordes:
- Samantha Vinograd, erstwhile Obama medication Department of Homeland Security counterterrorism authoritative and CBS News contributor
- Rep. Mike Turner, Republican of Ohio
- Sen. Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia
- White House National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett
- Feeding America CEO Claire Babineaux-Fontenot
Click here to browse afloat transcripts from 2025 of "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan."
NANCY CORDES: I'm Nancy Cordes successful Washington.
And this week connected Face the Nation: President Trump escalates his anti- migration crackdown aft the deadly shooting of National Guard troops successful D.C. And, arsenic the president's squad pushes for bid successful Ukraine, the unit run connected Venezuela intensifies.
The horrific shooting successful Washington, D.C., allegedly by an Afghan national, near 1 National Guard subordinate dormant and different warring for his life, angering President Trump, who accused the Biden medication of allowing thousands of Afghans into the state without due vetting.
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NANCY CORDES: Your DOJ I.G. conscionable reported this twelvemonth that determination was thorough vetting by DHS and by the FBI of these Afghans who were brought into the U.S., truthful wherefore bash you blasted the Biden medication for what this antheral did?
DONALD TRUMP (President of the United States): Because they fto him in. Are you stupid?
NANCY CORDES: Well, no.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Are you a anserine person? Because they came successful to - - connected a plane, on with thousands of different radical that shouldn't beryllium here.
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NANCY CORDES: Investigators person yet to find a wide motive down the shooting, but President Trump isn't waiting. He's halting migration from Afghanistan and elsewhere. We volition bring you the latest connected the shooting and the argumentation response.
Plus: Russia launches a monolithic drone and rocket onslaught connected Kyiv, defying the U.S. propulsion for bid successful Ukraine.
And the president warns commercialized planes to wide the airspace implicit Venezuela. Is that a motion of an imminent onslaught by the U.S.?
We volition get the latest connected some fronts from Republican Congressman Mike Turner and Democratic Senator Tim Kaine.
And we volition cheque successful with President Trump's apical economical adviser, Kevin Hassett, connected the biggest buying play of the twelvemonth and get a world cheque connected the worsening hunger situation with Feeding America CEO Claire Babineaux-Fontenot.
It's each conscionable up connected Face the Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face the Nation. Margaret is disconnected today.
As Thanksgiving play draws to a close, for some, the vacation buying spree is officially nether way, portion others are braving the crowds astatine airports and connected highways to get home.
Here successful Washington, a simmering statement implicit migration and nationalist information has boiled implicit pursuing the shooting of 2 National Guard members.
Our homeland information and justness correspondent, Nicole Sganga, is present with the latest.
You person been retired beforehand connected this story, Nicole. What's the latest?
NICOLE SGANGA: The targeted onslaught conscionable blocks distant from the White House killed 20-year-old Army Specialist Sarah Beckstrom. This morning, Air Force Staff Sergeant Andrew Wolfe remains successful captious condition, warring for his life.
Moments ago, Attorney General Pam Bondi and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said Rahmanullah Lakanwal whitethorn person been radicalized connected American soil, but argued the onslaught was the effect of failed vetting.
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NICOLE SGANGA (voice-over): The probe is nether way. Intelligence analysts are present tasked with combing done the suspect's devices and online beingness for signs of radicalization.
So far, sources archer CBS News determination person been nary confirmed extremist ties. Rahmanullah Lakanwal served for 8 years connected a CIA-backed Zero Unit team, an Afghan paramilitary outfit notorious for aggravated combat and high-risk raids.
U.S. and Afghan officials archer CBS News the fishy had been profoundly disturbed by casualties successful his portion and much precocious troubled by the sidesplitting of his adjacent person by equipped men successful Pakistan. Lakanwal archetypal entered the U.S. successful 2021 nether Operation Allies Welcome pursuing the autumn of Kabul.
The 29-year-old was granted asylum successful the U.S. this April. Now helium faces first-degree execution charges. A 2025 Justice Department audit recovered lone 55 evacuees arriving to the U.S. nether the programme were flagged by terrorism- screening databases. Last year, conscionable 9 remained connected the ticker list.
This weekend, D.C. constabulary accompanied National Guard connected their thoroughfare patrols. Governor Patrick Morrisey oversees West Virginia's National Guard.
What bash you accidental to Americans who are watching this play retired and, successful the aftermath of this tragedy, they mightiness consciousness similar Guardsmen present person a people connected their back?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY (R-West Virginia): I deliberation radical who question the ngo should look astatine what's happened successful Washington, D.C., and you had a metropolis that had a batch of problems with crime, and determination person been wide and meaningful reductions. I deliberation that matters a lot.
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NICOLE SGANGA: President Trump has ordered 500 much National Guard members to D.C., bringing the full to astir 3,000 troops.
And, connected Friday, the U.S. directed migration officers to intermission each asylum decisions, leaving implicit 2 cardinal applicants successful limbo, Nancy.
NANCY CORDES: Nicole Sganga, convey you truthful overmuch for staying connected apical of this.
And for much connected the vetting of the fishy earlier helium entered the country, we are joined present by Samantha Vinograd, who is simply a erstwhile apical counterterrorism authoritative astatine the Department of Homeland Security nether President Biden and was profoundly progressive successful the process for screening and vetting. She is present a nationalist information contributor present astatine CBS News.
Sam, truthful bully to person you with us.
Just this morning, the lawyer wide said that this fishy entered the U.S. with minimal to small vetting. Is that accurate?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, Nancy, I'm blessed to speech astir the vetting.
But, astatine this point, we don't person indications that the horrific calamity was a effect of a vetting failure. Instead, the lawyer wide besides said this greeting it appears the idiosyncratic was radicalized erstwhile here. And let's beryllium wide connected what the vetting strategy is and what it isn't.
The vetting strategy is simply a strategy successful which an individual's identifiers, their biographic accusation and biometric information, iris scans, fingerprints, facial images, are tally against datasets of accusation astir individuals with ties to coercion and transgression history.
The vetting strategy is not predictive of whether an idiosyncratic with nary derogatory accusation is oregon is not astatine immoderate constituent going to go violent. What I tin archer you is this. And I was progressive successful the process. Every Afghan evacuee underwent vetting overseas earlier they were cleared to beryllium manifested for a formation to the United States.
They underwent vetting erstwhile they were manifested for a formation astatine a larboard of introduction earlier entering the United States. And past Afghan evacuees, including the suspect, were vetted again erstwhile successful the U.S. by the Biden administration.
And this fishy underwent the astir broad vetting nether the existent medication erstwhile helium applied for asylum. That process would typically impact an interrogation and a reappraisal of societal media handles.
NANCY CORDES: OK, I perceive what you're saying, but I privation to work to you thing that a DOJ inspector wide study laid retired earlier this year.
They said that, erstwhile tens of thousands of Afghans arrived astatine erstwhile present successful the U.S. astatine the extremity of the warfare – punctuation – "The mean processes required to find whether individuals posed a menace to nationalist information and nationalist information were overtaken by the request to instantly evacuate and support the lives of Afghans, expanding the imaginable that atrocious actors could effort to exploit the expedited evacuation."
Were determination vetting corners that had to beryllium chopped here?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, during the Afghanistan withdrawal successful the consequent period, determination were assorted priorities successful place, certainly. We wanted to assistance our Afghan partners and bring at-risk Afghans here.
But protecting nationalist information and nationalist information was the foremost priority. And that's wherefore a process was designed that vetted individuals overseas, but it was ne'er intended to beryllium a one-and-done. It was a multistage process with assorted U.S. authorities agencies.
Afghan evacuees were vetted overseas by graphic and biometric vetting. And past determination were different stages of vetting that occurred erstwhile individuals were here. So we person to enactment this vetting process successful context.
NANCY CORDES: Let's speech astir this fishy specifically.
What tin you archer america astir these alleged Zero Units that the fishy was a portion of successful Afghanistan? He worked with the CIA for years, right?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: He did, which means that helium was vetted by the CIA anterior to opening enactment successful the Zero Unit, which was a paramilitary and quality unit that partnered with the CIA incredibly intimately connected immoderate precise aggravated missions.
So this fishy reportedly underwent vetting by the CIA for the archetypal clip implicit a decennary ago. He had highly specialized training. He did acquisition vetting astatine the clip that helium started moving with the CIA and went connected immoderate precise analyzable missions. These units were accused of definite quality rights abuses.
NANCY CORDES: And, arsenic you pointed out, the lawyer wide did accidental this greeting that it's believed that the shooter was radicalized present successful the United States.
The AP is present reporting that his behaviour deteriorated truthful sharply successful caller months that a assemblage advocator was acrophobic that helium was suicidal. Where does this probe spell from here?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, this horrific calamity could beryllium the effect of an idiosyncratic that rapidly mobilized to unit without immoderate ties to overseas terrorism. And arsenic we person discussed successful different cases, trying to find lone actors earlier they initiate an onslaught is harder than trying to find a needle successful a haystack.
That work, trying to find a lone histrion who's mobilizing to unit quickly, involves intelligence, instrumentality enforcement, and counterterrorism officials present successful the U.S., not vetting experts, but present successful the U.S. astatine each levels of government, federal, state, and local, to effort to find size – signs that an idiosyncratic is mobilizing to unit and effort to get them assistance earlier they really initiate an attack.
NANCY CORDES: When the president says that helium wants to person everyone who came successful present to the United States from Afghanistan, astir 90,000 people, rescreened, reexamined, however would that work? And does DHS person the resources to bash that?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, to beryllium precise clear, DHS is not the lone entity progressive successful vetting. Various members of the counterterrorism, instrumentality enforcement, and quality assemblage execute vetting.
I bash person questions astir the fig of resources disposable to prosecute successful that exercise, conscionable based upon assets constraints wrong the national government. But it is possible. It volition instrumentality time. But, to beryllium clear, Afghan evacuees person been re-vetted since coming to the United States. They were re-vetted nether the Biden administration.
And then, arsenic they person adjusted their presumption to asylum oregon different things, they had to spell done already different vetting processes.
NANCY CORDES: You know, you speech astir this fishy and trying to find signs that helium was radicalized. How volition investigators spell astir doing that?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, investigators are surely already speaking to individuals that knew the suspect, friends, family, co-workers, the organizations that helped enactment him successful the community.
And we don't yet know, Nancy, whether this idiosyncratic was known to instrumentality enforcement successful his community. I deliberation we volition larn that successful the coming days.
NANCY CORDES: Great insight.
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Thanks, Nancy.
NANCY CORDES: Sam Vinograd, CBS News contributor, convey you truthful much.
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Thank you.
NANCY CORDES: And Face the Nation volition beryllium backmost successful 1 minute. Stay with us.
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NANCY CORDES: We're joined present by Ohio Republican Congressman Mike Turner.
Congressman, acknowledgment for being with us. Happy Thanksgiving.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER (R-Ohio): Thank you, Nancy. Happy Thanksgiving to you also.
NANCY CORDES: So, you heard what Sam Vinograd conscionable had to accidental astir the vetting process. You've besides heard what medication officials are saying astir it.
Do you judge that this was a nonaccomplishment of vetting, oregon bash you judge this is idiosyncratic who conscionable became radicalized oregon became mentally disturbed present successful the United States?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Nancy, this is precise difficult, because, I mean, this is classical terrorism. And this is wherever an idiosyncratic who tries to interruption the bosom of a federation who does an act, a murderous act, close earlier Thanksgiving, and the – I deliberation what Samantha is missing successful each of this is that we didn't spell to Afghanistan to bring Afghanis here.
We went to Afghanistan to termination Osama bin Laden, to dismantle and destruct al Qaeda, to avenge 9/11, to dismantle and to overthrow the Taliban, and to guarantee that Afghanistan was nary longer a harmless haven for terrorism.
What occurred is that the Biden medication allowed Afghanistan to autumn and fled, and, successful doing so, past recovered itself successful a concern wherever those who had been aiding america were past astatine risk, and successful doing truthful made the decision…
NANCY CORDES: You don't deliberation they would person been astatine hazard either way?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: No, they were – their volition was that they would beryllium inactive there, that Afghanistan would nary longer beryllium a harmless haven for terrorists, that it would not beryllium returned to the Taliban, and determination would not beryllium a request for those radical to beryllium evacuated.
You wouldn't spot American planes connected the tarmac, arsenic you showed, with radical moving to effort to get connected them. By the way, those planes wouldn't beryllium being chased by radical if they were connected their mode to China oregon Russia. They were connected their mode to America, and those radical were fleeing what the Biden medication was allowing to unfold, which is that it would erstwhile again beryllium a federation that would beryllium astatine hazard to us.
And so, you know, that's however you get to the concern wherever those individuals are astatine risk. Now, obviously, the vetting was flawed. By your ain report, you showed that individuals who were connected our known violent ticker database made it into this state done that process, so, obviously, that the vetting process…
NANCY CORDES: But past they were – past they were identified…
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REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: But they made it in. They made it in, right?
NANCY CORDES: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: They made it into this country. So, obviously, the process was flawed, and it was besides a process that should person been unnecessary, if determination hadn't been this hasty autumn of Afghanistan, which the Biden medication had promised america each that they were not going to tally for the exits.
And they not lone ran for the exits. They did truthful astatine night. You know, Congress was – you know, aft hearing, aft hearing, you know, raised the issues of the mode successful which the Biden medication fled and what the consequences would be. And we're each surviving with those consequences. Now, the probe is nether way.
NANCY CORDES: Weren't their hands tied successful portion by the information that Trump had chopped a woody with the Taliban promising to permission by a definite date?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: No, their hands were not tied. The mode successful which they did truthful – and Congress did a fig of investigations and a fig of hearings and filed a fig of reports that showed that it was the actions of the Biden administration, the mode successful which they wholly withdrew.
But that probe is nether way. It's going to beryllium underway arsenic to this individual, and I deliberation we each request to hold for that probe to beryllium concluded.
NANCY CORDES: The president has called for 500 much National Guard troops to beryllium sent to the nation's capital. Your authorities has already contributed 150.
Do you judge that much troops being deployed is the answer, oregon bash you deliberation it's clip to upwind this deployment down?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Well, erstwhile you ask, is that the answer, you person to archetypal speech astir what the question is.
And the question is, is determination a nationalist contented of – of transgression and safety? And, certainly, the American people, by each polls, bespeak that radical are experiencing it and study that determination is. And, certainly, successful the nation's capital, determination has been.
There has been unbelievable reports of conscionable the – the transgression activity, those – the – those individuals who person succumbed to, you know, convulsive crime. And, certainly, there's been a reporting that the National Guard beingness has made a difference.
NANCY CORDES: Right, nary question, I deliberation transgression is down 30 percent, thing similar that, successful D.C. successful the past 4 months.
I privation to crook to Ukraine now…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Yes.
NANCY CORDES: … different contented precise important to you.
A squad of Ukrainian negotiators is gathering close present successful Miami with Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff. What's your knowing of wherever the negotiations basal close now? There were concerns initially that the White House program was excessively pro-Russia. Do you inactive person those concerns?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Well, I deliberation we each person those concerns.
The – the – you know, the president's extremity of bid is incredibly important, and we saw contiguous with Secretary Rubio his connection of, you know, we person to person a beardown and sovereign Ukraine.
And I – and that's everyone's extremity and the – and surely a prosperous Ukraine. And we saw the Ukrainian typical there, who is, you know, committed. And we surely deliberation and I deliberation everyone thinks that President Zelenskyy is committed to peace.
But, you know, 1 happening that I deliberation everybody understands is that you can't person – you can't beryllium America archetypal and pro-Russia, due to the fact that Russia has – is simply a self-declared adversary of the United States. It's fielding caller precocious atomic weapons that are specifically targeting the United States.
It's perpetually attacking the United States with violative cyber. It continuously identifies some NATO and the West, the United States arsenic its adversary. So, successful this – and, of course, erstwhile it identifies Ukraine arsenic its adversary, it does truthful successful identifying the West and the United States arsenic its adversary.
You person to recognize that the equilibrium of this – this bid statement has to beryllium 1 wherever you person to look astatine Russia arsenic a skeptical adversary.
NANCY CORDES: Speaking of the question of being pro-Russian, this week, Bloomberg got a clasp of this transcript of a telephone betwixt Steve Witkoff, the peculiar envoy, and a Putin adviser, successful which Witkoff appeared to beryllium coaching the Russian connected however to triumph implicit President Trump.
And determination are respective Republicans that person large concerns astir that. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania called it a large problem. Don Bacon of Nebraska said Witkoff afloat favors the Russians and should beryllium fired.
What bash you think?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Well, the portion that acrophobic maine astir is that determination appeared to beryllium an orchestration of giving Putin an accidental to talk to Trump earlier President Zelenskyy was connected his mode to the White House.
And I wouldn't privation immoderate orchestration of lessening President Zelenskyy's narration with Trump, due to the fact that it's precise important erstwhile you person negotiations that – particularly arsenic you have, you know, successful this instance, Russia is being, you know, obviously, unbelievably murderous of the Ukrainian people.
It is an assertive authoritarian authorities successful this. It's sidesplitting civilians. It is – it is not conscionable – this is not a military-against-military action. They are bombing into Ukraine and murderously sidesplitting civilians successful Ukraine.
The – the Ukrainian radical are being subjected to this, and the – President Trump needs to beryllium capable to perceive Zelenskyy's dependable clearly, and not conscionable the authoritarian, murderous Putin.
NANCY CORDES: So, fixed your concerns, should Witkoff proceed to service arsenic 1 of the main U.S. negotiators here, and helium – should helium beryllium sent by President Trump to Moscow this week to conscionable with Putin?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: I – I deliberation you can't instrumentality conscionable 1 portion of someone's speech during a long, stretched-out facet of negotiations arsenic reflective, but I deliberation it's surely important that, erstwhile we bash get that opportunity, that our voices are heard of caution and concern.
And the orchestration of inserting Putin's dependable earlier Zelenskyy is precise concerning, and I deliberation the White House should beryllium precise acrophobic astir immoderate efforts to orchestrate Putin's dependable astatine the White House earlier Zelenskyy's, due to the fact that Ukraine's sovereignty and information needs to beryllium preeminent.
And we heard that this greeting from Rubio, and that needs to beryllium the focus.
NANCY CORDES: And President Trump said this was conscionable regular dealmaking.
I privation to crook to Venezuela, due to the fact that you're connected the House Armed Services Committee. We've each been watching the subject buildup successful the waters astir Venezuela. Just yesterday, the president said airlines should see Venezuelan airspace closed.
Do you instrumentality that to mean that a subject cognition is imminent?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Well, the president did not accidental that, and the president surely has not fixed Congress immoderate announcement that that is going to occur.
And helium surely has not made the case. There is simply a buildup that the president has not explained successful a mode that relates solely to the actions that are presently going down successful the Caribbean and with respect to the cause commercialized that the president has been discussing with Congress. It is surely a important interest successful Congress.
NANCY CORDES: "The Washington Post" is reporting that, earlier the onslaught connected the precise archetypal suspected cause vessel successful September, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered that everyone connected committee beryllium killed, and then, erstwhile 2 of the 11 radical connected committee survived, a follow-on onslaught was ordered to decorativeness them disconnected successful the water.
Now, immoderate instrumentality of warfare experts are saying that that was illegal, that sidesplitting radical who are nary longer capable to combat is simply a warfare crime. What is your presumption and what questions bash you person for the Pentagon?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Congress does not person accusation that that had occurred. Both the president of the Senate Armed Services Committee, president of the House Armed Services Committee, and ranking members person opened investigations.
Obviously, if that occurred, that would beryllium – beryllium precise serious, and I hold that that would – would beryllium an amerciable act. That is not the ineligible sentiment oregon the accusation oregon the ineligible justification, the acts that person been described to Congress that are being undertaken successful – successful this.
There are precise superior concerns successful Congress astir the attacks connected the so- called cause boats down successful the Caribbean and the Pacific, and the ineligible justification has been provided. But this is – is wholly extracurricular of thing that has been discussed with Congress, and determination is an ongoing investigation.
NANCY CORDES: Very absorbing to perceive you accidental that this mightiness beryllium an amerciable act. I cognize your committee is asking much questions. We'd emotion to larn what you find out.
Congressman Mike Turner of Ohio, convey you truthful overmuch for being with us.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Thank you, Nancy.
NANCY CORDES: I admit it.
And we'll beryllium close backmost with a batch much Face the Nation. Stay with us.
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NANCY CORDES: Some bittersweet quality retired of California overnight. Four radical were killed and 10 others wounded erstwhile a gunman opened occurrence during a household solemnisation astatine a banquet hallway successful Stockton, California. The section sheriff's bureau says aboriginal indications suggest the shooting was targeted.
A fishy has not been identified and is inactive astatine large. Police are urging anyone with immoderate accusation that whitethorn beryllium adjuvant to travel forward.
We volition beryllium close back.
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NANCY CORDES: We volition beryllium close backmost with Virginia Democratic Senator Tim Kaine, White House economical advisor Kevin Hassett, and Feeding America CEO Claire Babineaux-Fontenot.
Stay with us.
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NANCY CORDES: Welcome backmost to "FACE THE NATION."
We're joined by Virginia Democratic Senator Tim Kaine.
Senator, acknowledgment truthful overmuch for being with us.
SENATOR TIM KAINE (D-VA): Absolutely, Nancy.
NANCY CORDES: I privation to commencement retired by asking you astir the concern successful Venezuela due to the fact that determination are present superior signs that subject action, including perchance crushed action, could beryllium imminent. You person tried doubly to walk warfare powers resolutions that would unit President Trump to get support from Congress archetypal earlier immoderate subject action. Twice you person failed. Do you deliberation the numbers connected this volition alteration if determination is crushed enactment and volition it adjacent substance astatine that point?
SENATOR TIM KAINE: I bash – I bash judge the numbers volition change. You're right, I, on with others, filed a resolution, nary warfare successful Venezuela oregon against Venezuela without legislature approval. It failed. But that was earlier each of these assets person amassed astir Venezuela and earlier President Trump said that the airspace needs to beryllium closed. I volition determination with colleagues, Senator Schumer, Senator Paul, Senator Schiff, instantly should determination beryllium subject action.
And past secondly, I besides attempted to halt the, what I presumption arsenic amerciable vessel strikes successful the Caribbean and the Pacific, unneurotic with Adam Schiff. And the circumstances person changed successful the months since we had that vote. In each of these instances, we were capable to get 2 Republicans to ballot unneurotic with Democrats. We deliberation the escalating gait and immoderate of the caller revelations, so, for example, the caller revelation astir the termination everyone bid seemingly dictated by Secretary Hegseth, we bash judge that we volition get much enactment for these motions erstwhile they are refiled.
NANCY CORDES: You're referring to this caller "Washington Post" study that says that Secretary Hegseth called for everyone aboard the archetypal suspected cause vessel that was targeted to beryllium killed. When 2 radical survived, the subject went backmost in, reportedly, with a follow-on strike.
What questions bash you person for the Pentagon astir that situation?
SENATOR TIM KAINE: Well, first, if that reporting is true, it's a wide usurpation of the DOD's ain laws of war, arsenic good arsenic planetary laws astir the mode you dainty radical who are successful that circumstance. And truthful this rises to the level of a warfare transgression if it's true. And the questions that we've been asking for months are, springiness america the grounds that the folks connected committee were truly narco traffickers. In 1 instance, determination were 2 survivors, 1 Columbian, 1 Ecuadorian successful a antithetic strike. Instead of arresting them and prosecuting them, the U.S. picked them up and returned them to their countries of origin, wherever they were released. So, if they were narco traffickers, wherefore would we bash that? We request much grounds astir that. And we decidedly request the medication to yet reply the question of wherefore onslaught alternatively than interdict? If you cognize wherever the ships are, you tin interdict. And erstwhile you do, you get evidence. You get individuals. You tin compression them to springiness grounds against their higher ups. You get grounds with the cause seizures.
And finally, the different question that my colleagues and I are profoundly disquieted about, is the full ineligible rationale for these strikes. We had to pry with a crowbar, aft weeks and weeks, retired of the medication the expected ineligible rationale for the strikes successful planetary waters. It was precise shoddy due to the fact that it's classified. I can't archer you what's successful it, but I tin archer you it was not astatine each persuasive that these are ineligible actions. And truthful unneurotic with a full bid of things, the aboriginal status of the caput of SOUTHCOM, the quality that the SOUTHCOM's pb lawyer said these strikes were not lawful, the determination of allies, similar the U.K., to halt sharing quality with the United States successful this country due to the fact that they judge the strikes are illegal. It's clip for Congress to reign successful a president who is deciding to wage warfare connected his ain accidental so, which is not what the Constitution allows.
NANCY CORDES: Yes, a batch of lawmakers connected some sides person questions that are akin to the ones you're raising.
On a related note, President Trump conscionable announced this play that helium plans to pardon erstwhile Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernandez, who was accused of conspiring with cause cartels to determination 400 tons of cocaine from Honduras to the U.S. he's presently serving a 45-year sentence. Were you amazed by the president's program to pardon him fixed however powerfully the president feels astir drugs coming from different countries similar Venezuela?
SENATOR TIM KAINE: This is shocking. And again, this is not an idiosyncratic who was accused of moving drugs to the United States. He was convicted successful a national tribunal successful the United States. One of the bits of grounds was his connection that was picked up by those adjacent to him that helium wanted to shove drugs up the chemoreceptor of gringos and flood the United States with cocaine. More than 400 tons.
He was the person of 1 of the largest transgression enterprises that has ever been taxable to a condemnation successful U.S. courts. And little than 1 twelvemonth into his sentence, President Trump is pardoning him, suggesting that President Trump cares thing astir narco trafficking. Suggesting perchance that pardons are present for merchantability by this White House. And if helium doesn't attraction astir narco trafficking, and this was besides shown earlier this twelvemonth with the pardoning of Ross Ulbricht, past what is this Venezuela happening truly about?
The president of Columbia has said that helium deliberation it's astir the U.S. trying to prehend lipid assets successful Venezuela. I lived successful Honduras for years arsenic a missionary mode backmost when. The conspiracy theories are moving chaotic successful the Americas astir wherefore this subject effort is truthful important to the president erstwhile he's pardoning cause kingpins who are moving drugs into the United States. These are besides questions that we're going to person to excavation profoundly into erstwhile we instrumentality to Washington tomorrow.
NANCY CORDES: I privation to inquire you astir immoderate large developments successful Washington this week. The Trump medication is making large changes successful the aftermath of this tragic shooting of 2 National Guard members. They are halting each asylum decisions. They are halting Afghan migration applications. The president says helium wants a imperishable intermission to migration from what helium calls 3rd satellite countries. We don't cognize however galore countries. Do they person a lawsuit that it makes consciousness to enactment immoderate of these processes connected clasp portion they fig retired what happened here?
SENATOR TIM KAINE: Well, you know, first, let's conscionable admit this bittersweet fact. These 2 Guards members, Ms. Beckstrom and Mr. Wolfe. What a calamity for them and their families. And you cognize what? They should person been astatine location astatine Thanksgiving celebrating Thanksgiving with their families, not deployed successful a governmental deployment to bash instrumentality enforcement successful D.C. that the D.C. constabulary and different section instrumentality enforcement agencies tin do.
And this demonstrates yet again thing we've seen truthful often. Our troops, including our Guards members, they're going to service successful brave and courageous and self-sacrificing ways. And we tin astir truthful arrogant of them.
But the orders that they get from their civilian leaders, that's wherever the occupation comes in. Whether it's a Hegseth bid to termination them each oregon an bid to nonstop Guards men and women, successful a governmental stunt deployment to cities astir the country, these 2 individuals should person been celebrating Thanksgiving with their families. And I conscionable mourn for them and each who endure arsenic a result.
The president's determination to say, OK, this peculiar criminal, who should beryllium prosecuted to the afloat grade of the law, who came successful nether an asylum assistance that President Trump and his medication decided this past summer, that present we're going to intermission processes oregon asylum from 19, quote, "third satellite countries," we don't cognize which ones they are, you shouldn't overgarment with a wide brush. Go aft a transgression to the afloat grade of the law, but don't accidental that each Afghans successful the United States, those who served with our subject and who mislaid their lives and their wellness and their families successful galore ways by doing so, don't accidental that they're each bad. Don't accidental that radical who travel from third-world countries are bad.
Virginia, astir 1 retired of 9 of america is an immigrant. And our migrant communities successful Virginia person been an tremendous root of spot to our commonwealth and to our country. And it's incorrect to people them each for the atrocious actions of an individual, conscionable similar we wouldn't people different communities successful the United States for the atrocious actions of 1 individual.
NANCY CORDES: Something tells maine this is going to beryllium a large taxable of speech successful Congress this week.
SENATOR TIM KAINE: It will.
NANCY CORDES: Senator Kaine, I truly admit you being with america and Happy Thanksgiving.
SENATOR TIM KAINE: So gladsome we could bash it. Thanks.
NANCY CORDES: And we'll beryllium close back.
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NANCY CORDES: We crook present to the manager of the White House National Economic Council, Kevin Hassett.
Kevin, acknowledgment truthful overmuch for being with us.
KEVIN HASSETT (Director, White House National Economic Council): Great to beryllium here.
NANCY CORDES: So, we've each eaten the turkey.
KEVIN HASSETT: Yes.
NANCY CORDES: Holiday buying has begun successful earnest. So, let's speech astir what the vacation buying play looks like. We've got caller surveys from Goldman Sachs and Bank of America that overgarment a humble representation of the vacation spending outlook. They accidental debased and mediate income Americans are readying to propulsion backmost a small spot due to the fact that they comprehend that prices are higher. And they say, if spending is up this year, it's going to beryllium due to the fact that goods successful portion are much expensive. Is this the impermanent effect oregon semipermanent effect of the Trump tariffs?
KEVIN HASSETT: Right. Well, what we've seen – those were reports astir what radical anticipated would hap implicit the Thanksgiving weekend. But we present person hard information for Black Friday and adjacent for Saturday. And the online income were up astir 10 percent, in-store income were up 4 percent. It was truly a blockbuster play aft Thanksgiving.
And truthful I deliberation that the folks who were saying, wow, possibly radical are going to beryllium anxious about, you know, going backmost and getting presents for the kids and truthful on, they've been disproven this weekend. And I deliberation the crushed is that radical – incomes are up this year. We had a large jobs report. And with beardown income and the authorities shutdown implicit truthful that radical presumably person a small pent-up request arsenic well, I deliberation that we're looking astatine a large betterment from a anemic fewer weeks due to the fact that of the shutdown.
NANCY CORDES: Sure. I'm wondering however overmuch of that spending summation you deliberation is attributable to the information that prices are up? Let maine springiness you an example. The shaper of Tonka trucks said a mates of days agone that a artifact motortruck that outgo $30 past twelvemonth is going to outgo $40 this year, partially due to the fact that they mislaid astir 8 weeks of shipping owed to the U.S. commercialized warfare with China.
What's your proposal to vacation shoppers who don't privation to walk much this twelvemonth than they did past year, oregon can't spend to walk more?
KEVIN HASSETT: Right. Well, arsenic you know, it depends connected what you're looking at. Like, ovum prices are down. Gasoline prices dropped beneath $2 a gallon successful a batch of places. Mortgage rates are down.
NANCY CORDES: You mean beneath –
KEVIN HASSETT: Yes, owe rates are down.
NANCY CORDES: Gas prices, connected average, are inactive astatine $3 a gallon crossed the country, right?
KEVIN HASSETT: Yes, that's right. For a fewer states, they got – they got beneath $2. And truthful the constituent is conscionable that, successful the end, what matters is, successful the aggregate, the mean crossed everything that everybody buys. And that averaged astir 5 percent nether Joe Biden and is simply a small spot supra 2.5 percent, astir chopped successful fractional for President Trump.
And the bottommost line, though, is truly that wages person been increasing faster than prices, and that's wherefore existent incomes this twelvemonth are up by astir $1,200 truthful far. That's wherefore we tin person a large Black Friday and a large Thanksgiving income play due to the fact that radical consciousness similar they person much wealth successful their pockets. Even though, you're right, determination are immoderate things that outgo astir and immoderate things that outgo less. But connected average, we're astir fractional the ostentation complaint of Joe Biden.
NANCY CORDES: Polls amusement that the public, contempt immoderate of the information you're presenting, is getting much skeptical. In our latest CBS News poll, 68 percent of Americans said they judge that President Trump's policies are pushing market prices up. They're up astir 1.4 percent twelvemonth to date. And economical sentiment, the fig of radical who deliberation the system is good, has really dropped six points since helium took office.
How bash you explicate that?
KEVIN HASSETT: Well, archetypal of all, you mentioned, rather accurately, the 1.4 percent summation successful market prices. I deliberation the absorbing happening astir that is that that's mode beneath the Fed's people of 2 for everything else, right? And truthful you'd person to concede that 1.4 percent is very, precise debased inflation.
And truthful I deliberation that the bottommost enactment is that we've got the big, beauteous measure cutting taxes connected overtime, taxes for tips and truthful on. And each that wealth is going to commencement to beryllium successful people's pockets. And that's wherefore they're optimistic astir adjacent year.
Scott Bessent said past week that he's looking astatine the archetypal fractional of adjacent twelvemonth that could beryllium successful the 4 percent range. And the crushed is that we passed the taxation cuts successful July and truthful they didn't person clip to alteration each the taxation forms and everything. And truthful radical are going to get really, truly large refunds successful the autumn arsenic well.
And truthful we're truly optimistic. And we deliberation that the bully quality astir Thanksgiving is simply a motion of thing that's adjacent stronger to come.
NANCY CORDES: You mentioned purchasing power. One happening that is going to impact purchasing powerfulness for 22 cardinal Americans is the expiration of Obamacare premium subsidies. Last week a comic situation. The White House floated this program to widen the subsidies for 2 years. Then you dropped the proposal. And past the president said, connected Air Force One, "somebody said I wanted to widen it for 2 years. I don't privation to widen it for 2 years. I'd alternatively not widen them astatine all."
Was this a lawsuit of the close manus not talking to the near hand?
KEVIN HASSETT: No, I deliberation that radical were talking to each other. But what happened, arsenic you know, arsenic a nonrecreational journalist, is that sometimes radical leak pre-decisional things that are confidential and pre-decisional. And I deliberation that idiosyncratic did that. And past it rolled backmost due to the fact that it hadn't been done the full process.
But President Trump has been wide that he's precise acrophobic astir the outgo of wellness care. And that's wherefore we had $50 cardinal for agrarian hospitals successful big, beauteous bill, wherefore we tried to get $30 cardinal successful for outgo sharing and the Democrats didn't similar that. They had an alternate approach.
And so, I deliberation that what we're going to spot now, betwixt present and Christmas, is that radical are going to enactment this retired due to the fact that we person a solution – the White House has a solution for outgo sharing and the Democrats person an alternative. And, you know, radical don't privation – you know, for the fewer seniors that person really, truly monolithic increases to spot those.
But don't forget, the immense bulk of radical successful the Affordable Care Act are getting their security for little than $50 a month. And truthful portion this is an contented that needs to beryllium worked out, we don't privation to origin panic for the folks who are disquieted that they're going to suffer the happening that they have. It's truly conscionable the very, precise precocious outgo radical who are, you know, person to status property that person the problem.
NANCY CORDES: "Bloomberg" is reporting, arsenic I'm definite you know, that you are present considered the frontrunner to regenerate Fed Reserve Chair Jay Powell erstwhile his word expires successful the spring. Secretary Bessent, who is heading up this search, said helium was holding last interviews this week. How did yours go?
KEVIN HASSETT: You know, I americium not definite that "Bloomberg" has the communicative right. I'm truly honored to beryllium amongst a radical of truly large candidates. The happening that I was astir impressed astir this week erstwhile that communicative leaked was that truly I deliberation the quality for markets was that President Trump is adjacent to announcing a caller idiosyncratic who's going to regenerate Jay Powell. And if you look astatine the marketplace effect to that, it was very, precise positive. We had a large Treasury auction. Interest rates went down.
And so, I deliberation that the American radical could expect President Trump to prime idiosyncratic who's going to assistance them, you know, person cheaper car loans and easier entree to mortgages astatine little rates. And that's what we saw successful the marketplace effect to the rumor astir me, which, you know, is astir apt astir arsenic invaluable arsenic the rumor astir the wellness attraction argumentation that we conscionable talked about.
NANCY CORDES: Well, I conjecture we'll find retired if they're right, sooner alternatively than later, erstwhile we perceive the president's decision.
KEVIN HASSETT: Right. That's true.
NANCY CORDES: So, for now, manager of the White House National Economic Council, that's your rubric today, Kevin Hassett, convey you truthful much.
KEVIN HASSETT: Yes. Thank you.
NANCY CORDES: And we'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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NANCY CORDES: We crook present to the combat against hunger successful the United States. According to authorities data, 47.4 cardinal radical lived successful what the Department of Agriculture calls a nutrient insecure household successful 2023. That's erstwhile a household can't needfully get capable nutrient to provender each of its members.
One of the largest groups moving to combat nutrient insecurity is Feeding America. And we're joined present by CEO Claire Babineaux-Fontenot, who is successful Charleston, South Carolina, this morning.
Claire, acknowledgment truthful overmuch for being with america and Happy Thanksgiving.
CLAIRE BABINEAUX-FONTENOT (CEO, Feeding America): Thanks for having maine back.
NANCY CORDES: Absolutely.
So, during the shutdown, we saw these incredibly agelong lines astatine nutrient banks. The shutdown has present been implicit for a mates of weeks. SNAP benefits are going retired again. But adjacent earlier the shutdown, nutrient insecurity was astatine its highest complaint successful astir a decade. So, what is the concern present that you're seeing astatine nutrient banks astir the state arsenic we caput into the holidays?
CLAIRE BABINEAUX-FONTENOT: Yes. So, I'm truthful gladsome that you made that point. I deliberation your viewers whitethorn beryllium amazed to larn that nutrient insecurity rates earlier the shutdown were higher than astatine immoderate constituent during the pandemic arsenic an example.
We're continuing to spot precise precocious demand. I deliberation portion of the crushed is due to the fact that the fastest increasing radical of radical turning to the charitable nutrient strategy are radical who don't adjacent suffice for immoderate national nutrition programs. So, this is an country that we've got to enactment focused on. We cognize the kinds of things that work. We request to bash those things truthful that we tin truly code what's happening with hunger and poorness successful the country.
NANCY CORDES: What bash you deliberation is contributing to the emergence successful hunger and this radical of radical who, arsenic you say, don't suffice for benefits but are showing an accrued request for food?
CLAIRE BABINEAUX-FONTENOT: Yes, I deliberation it's that the strategy is broken. Right present there's truthful galore people, if you tin imagine, successful this state who can't spend to get a rise astatine enactment due to the fact that we person a strategy that does not incentivize radical to proceed to determination up the ladder. We've got ladders with large – missing rungs, if you will. So, we tin bash thing astir that. We could person a sliding scale, for instance, that allows radical to determination retired of poverty. By doing that, due to the fact that nutrient insecurity is really a grounds of poverty, they'll determination retired of that arsenic well.
We, arsenic a nation, should each privation radical to beryllium capable to supply for themselves. We should each privation them to beryllium capable to get enactment that they tin consciousness arrogant of and enactment their families with. We person the powerfulness to bash each of those things. It volition necessitate that we enactment together, that we beryllium honorable astir what's broken, and that we truly get committed astir fixing those things.
NANCY CORDES: What are the main challenges that the organizations successful your web are facing this vacation play arsenic they effort to provender radical who are hungry? Is the nutrient determination for the radical who request it?
CLAIRE BABINEAUX-FONTENOT: Yes, unfortunately, the lines are longer than the nutrient that is available. And 1 of the hardest things to witnesser volition beryllium seeing these radical who person the aforesaid dreams, aspirations for their kids and themselves arsenic I person for mine, and each of your viewers person for theirs, feeling the request to crook to the charitable nutrient system. It takes a batch of courageousness and resiliency and committedness to household disconnected times to beryllium capable to bash that. And past for them to crook up, successful spite of each of those barriers and not – america not beryllium capable to supply them with what they truly need.
So, I person a heavy respect for radical experiencing hunger successful this country. I person been a idiosyncratic who has experienced hunger before. I cognize galore radical who have, galore radical who inactive do. So galore of them are my heroes.
And past different acceptable of heroes that I person are radical moving successful this combat successful the Feeding America web who amusement up, enarthrosis to enarthrosis with radical experiencing hunger, who are truthful profoundly committed to their wellbeing. So, we request to presumption radical experiencing hunger to beryllium capable to fend for themselves, and we request to presumption nutrient banks to beryllium capable to supply them with the enactment that they request successful this infinitesimal until they get there.
NANCY CORDES: As you know, determination are astir 2 cardinal Americans who are going to beryllium affected by changes to the SNAP programme that were made earlier this twelvemonth successful a ballot by Congress. They volition not beryllium receiving SNAP benefits immoderate longer. What are the economical implications of that? And successful astir 30 seconds, what tin your organizations bash astir it?
CLAIRE BABINEAUX-FONTENOT: According to the Congressional Budget Office, we're astir apt looking astatine astir a six cardinal repast per twelvemonth spread that's going to beryllium created. So, the kinds of things that we ought to do, we ought to code fraud wherever it exists. We ought to incentivize radical to beryllium capable to get the manus up that they request and to determination retired of poverty. We ought to code mistake rates. But we ought to bash each of these things strategically, and we ought to bash them successful a bipartisan way. This ought to beryllium the benignant of happening that this state tin travel unneurotic around.
NANCY CORDES: OK.
CLAIRE BABINEAUX-FONTENOT: And we tin clasp hands, enarthrosis to shoulder, due to the fact that erstwhile – radical experiencing hunger erstwhile we each do.
NANCY CORDES: Claire Babineaux-Fontenot, we person to permission it there. We've got a hard out. But convey you truthful much, Claire Babineaux-Fontenot from Feeding America. Thank you truthful much.
We'll beryllium close back.
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NANCY CORDES: And that's it for america today. Thanks for watching. For "FACE THE NATION," I'm Nancy Cordes. Have a bully one.
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