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On this "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" broadcast, moderated by Nancy Cordes:
- Kevin Hassett, manager of White House National Economic Council
- Sen. Chris Van Hollen, Democrat of Maryland
- Reps. Josh Gottheimer , Democrat of Maine, and Mike Lawler, Republican of New York
- Dr. Deborah Birx, erstwhile White House coronavirus effect coordinator
- Lt. Col. William Swenson (Ret.) and Master Sgt. Matthew Williams (Ret.), Medal of Honor recipients
Click here to browse afloat transcripts from 2026 of "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan."
NANCY CORDES: I'm Nancy Cordes successful Washington.
And this week connected Face the Nation: U.S. negotiators look to beryllium nearing a bid statement with Iran. We volition person the latest.
Sources acquainted with the talks archer CBS News that the latest connection to extremity the war, which is present successful its 13th week, includes a process to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the unfreezing of immoderate Iranian assets held successful overseas banks, and a continuation of negotiations implicit Iran's atomic program.
We volition speech to the president's apical economical adviser, Kevin Hassett, astir the interaction of the warfare connected the economy. And we volition instrumentality a person look astatine the outrage connected some sides of the aisle this week implicit the instauration of a $1.8 cardinal anti-weaponization payout fund. Maryland Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen volition beryllium with us.
We volition besides perceive from a bipartisan duo moving to combat antisemitism successful politics, New York Republican Mike Lawler and New Jersey Democrat Josh Gottheimer.
Plus, arsenic the World Health Organization warns that Ebola is spreading rapidly successful the Democratic Republic of the Congo, we volition speech to Dr. Deborah Birx.
And, finally, a peculiar Memorial Day speech with 2 Medal of Honor recipients astir the value of service.
It's each conscionable up connected Face the Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face the Nation. Margaret is off. I'm Nancy Cordes.
On this vacation weekend, President Trump has been hard astatine enactment astatine the White House to robust retired an statement with Iran. When I spoke to the president connected Saturday, helium sounded upbeat astir the imaginable for a woody and said that helium – punctuation – "wouldn't adjacent beryllium talking astir an agreement" if it did not forestall Iran from having a atomic weapon, adding – punctuation – "We're getting everything we want. I volition lone motion a woody wherever we get everything we want."
But it appears that astir of the atomic decisions would really beryllium near to the adjacent circular of negotiations, and that has immoderate Republicans disquieted this morning.
We're going to statesman with elder overseas analogous Imtiaz Tyab reporting from Tel Aviv.
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IMTIAZ TYAB (voice-over): In New Delhi this morning, Secretary of State, Marco Rubio had this to accidental astir Iran:
MARCO RUBIO (U.S. Secretary of State): I volition permission it to the president to marque further announcements connected it. Suffice it to accidental that immoderate advancement has been made.
IMTIAZ TYAB: On Saturday, President Trump held a league telephone with leaders of respective Arab and Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Turkey, the UAE, and Pakistan.
In a TRUTH Social station afterwards, the president said: "An statement has mostly been negotiated, taxable to finalization betwixt the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."
Pakistan's service chief, Asim Munir, who's been acting arsenic pb mediator, was successful Tehran astatine the time-, wherever helium met with Iranian leaders arsenic portion of attempts to constrictive the remaining gaps with Washington.
At a media briefing, Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Esmaeil Baghaei, said, implicit the past week, the process has moved towards reducing the points of disagreement, but determination are inactive issues that request to beryllium discussed done the mediators.
Those points of disagreement see the destiny of the Strait of Hormuz, Iran's frozen assets successful overseas banks, and its atomic program, which includes a ample stockpile of astir bomb-grade highly enriched uranium, which the president says is his reddish line.
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IMTIAZ TYAB: And aft his calls with Muslim and Arab leaders past night, President Trump besides spoke to Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Now, a elder Israeli governmental root has told CBS News the P.M. made it wide to the president that Israel would clasp the close to instrumentality enactment against what it sees arsenic threats, including successful Lebanon, Nancy, amid reports the imaginable statement betwixt the U.S. and Iran would besides spot an extremity to the warfare there.
NANCY CORDES: Imtiaz Tyab, convey you truthful much.
Some cardinal Republican senators person already weighed successful connected the aboriginal reports astir the contours of a imaginable deal.
Senate Armed Services Chair Roger Wicker said putting disconnected atomic discussions for aboriginal would – punctuation – "be a disaster" and that "everything accomplished by Operation Epic Fury would beryllium for naught."
Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said: "If the effect of each that is to beryllium an Iranian authorities present receiving billions of dollars, being capable to enrich uranium and make atomic weapons, past that result would beryllium a disastrous mistake."
We crook present to Maryland Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen.
Senator, convey you truthful overmuch for being with me.
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-Maryland): It's bully to beryllium with you, Nancy.
NANCY CORDES: So, I privation to accent that each of this is inactive evolving. We're getting somewhat antithetic takes connected the presumption of the woody from the Americans and the Iranians.
But what bash you deliberation astir what you person heard truthful far?
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN: Well, Nancy, this warfare against Iran has been a large blunder from the precise start.
The president should person stuck to his run pledge of keeping america retired of warfare and focused connected bringing down prices. He's done conscionable the opposite. Prices are going up. Interest rates are going up, and we're mired successful this warfare successful Iran.
And erstwhile you're digging a hole, you should halt digging. That's what this statement sounds like. It sounds similar we volition spell backmost to opening the Strait of Hormuz, which, of course, was unfastened earlier the warfare started.
I volition say, however, it looks similar Iran volition clasp much power implicit those straits. We besides cognize Iran has an adjacent much hard-line authorities successful spot now, and we're talking astir releasing immoderate of Iran's frozen assets.
So, look, my presumption is, arsenic I said, halt digging.
NANCY CORDES: I privation to inquire you astir thing that stirred up a batch of contention connected some sides of the aisle connected Capitol Hill this week, the DOJ's caller anti-weaponization fund, astir $1.8 cardinal acceptable speech for radical who accidental they were treated unfairly by the national government.
You person been calling it a governmental slush fund. You are trying to unit Republicans to instrumentality a ballot connected placing immoderate guardrails astir that fund. What benignant of guardrails are you talking about?
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN: Well, Nancy, archetypal we should get escaped of this governmental slush fund, $1.8 cardinal of payer money.
But I person been proposing amendments to prohibit, for example, radical who rioted connected January 6 and assaulted constabulary officers from being eligible for the fund. People who person been convicted of kid molestation, they should not beryllium eligible for the fund. Members of Congress should not beryllium eligible for the fund.
And I would anticipation each Republicans, including Republican candidates, should travel retired powerfully against this slush money which the president has acceptable up for these purposes.
NANCY CORDES: You pushed the acting lawyer wide this week connected that question of whether radical who attacked constabulary officers would beryllium eligible for the fund. I asked the president astir that this week arsenic well. He did not accidental that those radical would beryllium ineligible.
Senate Republicans were precise aggravated astir this, and they truly gave it to the lawyer – acting lawyer wide down closed doors this week. Do you deliberation that determination is an appetite for trying to get escaped of this money successful Congress, and however would that adjacent work?
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN: Well, I anticipation so, Nancy.
I deliberation astir Republicans are much upset astir the information that this interrupted their effort to walk this reconciliation measure with different $70 cardinal of payer funds for ICE. I deliberation that's what upset them the most.
And they decided to permission municipality due to the fact that they didn't privation to person to ballot connected these amendments that I person projected and others person proposed. So we volition spot however this each turns out. We should get escaped of this governmental slush money altogether, and we volition importune connected having these votes erstwhile we get back.
NANCY CORDES: I person been told by a elder medication authoritative that determination are present immoderate urgent efforts nether mode to code the concerns that Republicans person raised astir this fund.
But they proceed to importune they person got the close to bash this and that, successful fact, they already person the quality to marque these payouts, and, if anything, they're making the process much transparent by coming up with rules, by appointing commissioners, and each the rest.
What bash you deliberation of that argument?
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN: Well, that's absurd, and this is truly corrupt from the start.
I mean, this is fundamentally President Trump negotiating with President Trump done the acting lawyer general, who was Trump's erstwhile idiosyncratic lawyer. They person acceptable it up truthful they person implicit power implicit the 5 members of this committee that tin beryllium selected. President Trump tin occurrence immoderate of them whenever helium wants.
And truthful this is wholly nether their control, a slush fund. And they person not committed, Nancy, to being wholly transparent. The acting lawyer wide refused to accidental that they would disclose the names of each the radical who person these payer funds.
So let's beryllium clear. This is simply a corrupt deal. And, successful the process, the president, of course, got a implicit get-out-of-free – get-out-of-jail- escaped paper with respect to immoderate taxes that helium has owed and owing, different corrupt portion of this deal.
NANCY CORDES: I privation to inquire you astir a lawsuit that you person been heavy progressive in. And determination was a large improvement this week. A justice threw retired the national quality smuggling charges against Kilmar Abrego Garcia of your location state, Maryland.
You visited him successful El Salvador aft helium was wrongfully deported to that country, placed successful the Supermax situation CECOT. The justice said that DOJ's prosecution of him was vindictive, and DOJ present says it plans to appeal.
Have you spoken to him oregon his family? How are they feeling astir this decision?
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN: Nancy, I person spoken to him and his wife, Jennifer, and they're, of course, pleased that the tribunal strategy person applied the law.
This was perfectly a vindictive prosecution. The justice called it fundamentally an maltreatment of power, due to the fact that the Trump medication brought these caller charges against him due to the fact that helium decided to workout his owed process and law rights.
They had admitted that they had wrongfully disappeared him to El Salvador, and helium contested that. And, of course, helium is present back. They're inactive trying to deport him. But helium filed his claims nether the Constitution.
And truthful this lawsuit is not astir Kilmar Abrego Garcia alone. This is truly astir the rights of each and each 1 of us. And erstwhile the Trump medication decided to vindictive – vindictively prosecute him for that, they were further threatening the rights of each of us.
NANCY CORDES: We person got astir a infinitesimal left, but I privation to inquire you astir this predetermination autopsy that was yet released by the Democratic National Committee this week.
Do you consciousness similar you got immoderate answers from that autopsy connected wherefore the Democrats mislaid successful 2024? And bash you judge that the caput of the DNC should resign implicit this?
SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN: Well, Nancy, this is simply a precise shoddy portion of work. It's an incomplete portion of work. And I tin recognize wherefore Ken Martin was reluctant to merchandise it earlier.
But, arsenic helium has said, helium owns this problem. He should person ripped the Band- Aid disconnected earlier and enactment it out. No, we're six months from a precise important election, and we should not beryllium changing horses astatine this time.
I volition accidental that the wide thrust of the study successful indicates that we should not conscionable spell backmost to the pre-Trump presumption quo. And I person said from the opening it was a failure, obviously, of the Democratic Party to suffer to idiosyncratic similar Donald Trump a 2nd time.
We request to beryllium wide to the American radical that we recognize their fiscal and economical symptom and their regular struggles and that we're going to bash thing astir it, we're going to combat for them and we're going to combat against the peculiar interests, precise almighty peculiar interests, who effort to stack the platform against them.
NANCY CORDES: Right.
Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, convey you truthful overmuch for joining america this morning. I admit it.
And we volition beryllium close back.
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NANCY CORDES: We spell present to a bipartisan brace of representatives.
Josh Gottheimer is simply a Democrat from New Jersey and Mike Lawler is simply a Republican from New York.
Congressmen, welcome. Thank you for joining us.
REPRESENTATIVE JOSH GOTTHEIMER (D-New Jersey): Thanks for having us.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER (R-New York): Thanks for having us.
NANCY CORDES: Sure.
Congressman Lawler, I privation to commencement with you and get your instrumentality connected this memorandum of knowing that appears to beryllium taking signifier betwixt the U.S. and Iran. We've already seen immoderate blowback from immoderate of your chap Republicans. South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham said, if the reports connected the woody are close – punctuation – "It makes 1 wonderment wherefore the warfare started to statesman with."
Congressman, bash you stock his view?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: No.
And I deliberation it's important that we really get each of the details, fig one. Number two, if you look astatine what took spot during the kinetic activity, what did they do? They focused connected the ballistic missiles program, the drone capabilities, the naval fleet, and seizing power of Iran's airspace.
They were capable to bash that. Iran retaliated with a blockade successful the Strait of Hormuz, and President Trump blockaded that, which caused large harm to Iran's economy, stopped the travel of lipid to China. And truthful there's been immense unit for everybody to scope a deal.
But the bottommost enactment is, the nonsubjective is to guarantee that Iran does not person a atomic weapon. And that is what President Trump has been wide and accordant connected from the precise beginning. And truthful I deliberation it is imperative, earlier everybody unreserved to, you know, get to the microphone, that they really recognize the presumption of the statement that is being proposed, and specifically with respect to the enriched uranium.
NANCY CORDES: So, you similar what you're hearing?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: Look, I person been successful interaction with the administration. I service arsenic seat of the Middle East and North Africa Subcommittee connected the Foreign Affairs Committee.
I think, connected the whole, what the medication has been capable to bash for the archetypal clip successful 47 years has forced the remnants of this authorities into a negotiation, a existent negotiation. The information is, the JCPOA from implicit a decennary agone was not a negotiation. It enactment Iran connected the glide way to a atomic bomb. We are trying to halt that, and the president took decisive enactment to bash it.
NANCY CORDES: Congressman Gottheimer, you've been pushing to get a warfare powers solution passed. You're getting person to doing it. If the atomic decisions get pushed off, but the Strait of Hormuz does get reopened much quickly, is that a triumph for American taxpayers?
REPRESENTATIVE JOSH GOTTHEIMER: Well, I deliberation the bully quality present – and, arsenic Mike said, we're inactive getting details.
The bully news, is the straits volition beryllium backmost open, if that's true, and that volition mean state prices volition spell down for Americans, and that's bully news.
The quality that's atrocious news, successful my opinion, is – and this is wherever it's unclear – is, the archetypal objectives had to bash with enriched uranium and making definite that, from a atomic capability, Iran, which I deliberation is simply a wide adversary to the United States nether banners of "Death to America," and I judge the Iranian authorities should beryllium crushed.
But portion of that is making definite that we diminish their atomic capabilities, truthful they can't marque the leap to having a atomic weapon, that we importantly diminish their ballistic subject capabilities, their rocket capabilities, and, of course, their drone activity, and past with each the dollars that person gone historically to panic programs and their proxy programs, Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Those are each questions that are retired there, and it's unclear if we've made immoderate important advancement there.
And I think, you know, if, astatine the end, to the constituent of Senator Graham, if you look backmost astatine this and say, OK, we've made immense investments, and we've had a wide extremity along, which is to crush Iran and trim their ballistic and rocket programme and their atomic program, their panic program, and each we got was really thing that was ne'er connected the table, a reopening of the Straits of Hormuz, that, to me, successful the end, volition not beryllium reaching the goals initially acceptable distant here.
And truthful that's – that's the large question, if we've conscionable truly gotten thing and benignant of tally successful place.
NANCY CORDES: Congressman Lawler, the president made a high-profile sojourn to your territory connected Friday. He campaigned for you due to the fact that you correspond 1 of conscionable 3 Republican-held districts successful the U.S. that Kamala Harris won successful 2024.
How are you explaining to your constituents this caller colony that prevents the IRS from auditing immoderate Trump household documents anterior to this year?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: Well, I think, erstwhile it comes to immoderate agreements that the president has made with the IRS, from my vantage point, you know, I think, looking backmost astatine what the Biden medication did, they surely weaponized the authorities and were targeting the president.
And I deliberation helium evidently had claims that helium brought against the authorities arsenic a effect of that. From the standpoint of the president, you know, I was blessed to invited him to my district, conscionable arsenic I did Joe Biden erstwhile helium was president. Joe Biden came 3 years agone to my district, and I showed up.
President Trump was here. We had implicit 5,000 radical amusement up successful my territory to perceive straight from the president connected the issues astir acutely impacting them, including my quality to present connected lifting the headdress connected SALT.
The president besides announced bestowing the Presidential Medal of Freedom connected 1 of my constituents who died connected 9/11, Welles Crowther, the antheral successful the reddish bandana who saved 18 lives.
And we besides heard from the Gorman family. Their girl Sheridan Gorman was brutally murdered by an amerciable migrant who was allowed into this state nether Joe Biden's unfastened borderline policies, and past arrested successful Chicago, released nether cashless bail and disastrous pro-criminal policies successful the metropolis of Chicago, and murdered this 18-year-old girl, who had her full beingness up of her.
NANCY CORDES: Congressman…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: And truthful proceeding from her household was paramount. So, I was blessed to person the president determination connected Friday.
NANCY CORDES: Understood.
I bash privation to get to the contented of antisemitism, due to the fact that we wanted to person you some connected unneurotic due to the fact that you are moving unneurotic connected ways to code the emergence successful antisemitism successful the U.S.
Congressman Gottheimer, I recognize the worth successful lawmakers drafting attraction to immoderate of the truly vile incidents that we person seen successful this state lately, the stabbing of a Jewish antheral connected the streets of New York, the shooting astatine the Capitol Jewish Museum present successful Washington, but what tin Congress realistically bash astir this problem?
REPRESENTATIVE JOSH GOTTHEIMER: Well, we know, since October 7 and the Hamas violent attacks, antisemitic incidents successful the state are up 70 percent.
Mike and I, some our states person immoderate of the apical anti – numbers of antisemitic incidents successful the full country. It's wholly unacceptable. And what's happening present is, it's acold excessively often successful our authorities connected some sides, right, whether it's Hasan Piker, who's a streamer connected the near oregon Candace Owens connected the right, who are campaigning with candidates astir the country, really encouraging immoderate of the astir vile antisemitic language, similar Hasan Piker, who calls Jews pig dogs, Candace Owens, who denies the Holocaust.
We've got candidates connected some sides who've embraced them, who've made insane comments, similar the pistillate successful Texas this past week, a Democratic candidate, who said that Jews should beryllium successful camps. You've got Bilzerian, Bilzerian, Florida, who said we should exterminate Jews.
None of this should beryllium acceptable. And – and Mike and I, whether it's done the Antisemitism Awareness Act, which we passed retired of the House past Congress connected defining antisemitism, and introduced again this Congress, oregon some of america condemning Piker and Owens successful legislation, some of america judge profoundly that we request to basal up to this.
And Mike's been precise outspoken, arsenic person others. And our enactment connected some sides needs to marque it precise wide clip and again that – that you don't basal with these – with radical similar Owens and Piker, and they're not invited successful our districts, and nary of this connection successful – is acceptable either. I deliberation it's precise important.
NANCY CORDES: Congressman Lawler, wherefore bash you judge that fringe candidates similar the 1 that Congressman Gottheimer conscionable mentioned consciousness that determination is simply a marketplace for that benignant of hatred to statesman with? Is determination immoderate benignant of support operation that has been created successful some of your parties?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: Well, I don't deliberation there's immoderate question that antisemitism has been condoned by folks crossed the governmental aisle.
And, from my vantage point, it is thing that each of america person a work to propulsion backmost against careless of party. These candidates are coming forward. They consciousness it is OK to blasted Jews for immoderate ills determination are successful the world.
Obviously, you know, I experienced conscionable past week Rand Paul's lad screaming astatine maine successful a barroom due to the fact that helium thought I was Jewish, when, successful fact, I'm Irish Italian Catholic. And careless of whether I was oregon I wasn't Jewish, the idea…
NANCY CORDES: He has apologized for that, correct?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: … that radical consciousness it is OK to prosecute successful that.
He did, ultimately. But the thought that radical consciousness it's OK to prosecute successful that benignant of behaviour is shameful. And I deliberation what Josh and I are trying to do, successful putting this solution forward, is to say, enough, and to accidental to some parties, we person to constabulary our own. We cannot let this. We cannot enactment candidates who prosecute successful rank, vile antisemitism.
NANCY CORDES: Right.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: You know, the Jewish colonisation is astir 2 percent of the United States, and, meanwhile, it's implicit 50 percent of the hatred crimes that are experienced.
NANCY CORDES: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LAWLER: Something's got to give.
NANCY CORDES: Got it.
Congressman Lawler, Congressman Gottheimer, we admit some of you coming on. Thank you truthful much.
And we'll beryllium close back.
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NANCY CORDES: We volition beryllium close backmost with a batch much Face the Nation. Stay with us.
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NANCY CORDES: Welcome backmost to Face the Nation.
We crook present to the Director of the National Economic Council, Kevin Hassett, who joins america from the White House North Lawn.
Kevin, convey you truthful overmuch for being with me.
KEVIN HASSETT (Director, National Economic Council): Great to beryllium here. Thank you.
NANCY CORDES: I privation to commencement by getting your instrumentality connected the authorities of the economy, due to the fact that a benignant of confusing representation emerged this week. The Dow Jones deed an all-time high, and yet user sentiment deed an all-time low. Mortgage rates deed a nine-month peak. Inflation is up.
Earnings astatine large container stores similar Walmart are up, successful portion due to the fact that radical from crossed the income spectrum are being drawn to debased prices close now. Are determination tempest clouds gathering successful the economy?
KEVIN HASSETT: No, I don't deliberation determination are tempest clouds gathering astatine all.
And, successful fact, let's commencement with the user sentiment number, due to the fact that that was a fig that was precise striking to maine and to you, I know, erstwhile it came successful very, precise low. And what we did is, we went to their Web tract and we looked that they really interruption it retired by governmental affiliation, truthful they person it for Democrats, independents, and Republicans.
And if you look astatine it, user sentiment astatine the benignant of highest of the Biden inflation, the stagflation was mode supra 100, and it's dropped each the mode down into the debased 30s now, astir the lowest it's ever been for Democrats. But, for Republicans, it's held astir steady.
And, if you look astatine it, independents and Democrats are truly highly correlated, which suggests to america that their illustration is Democrats. And truthful if you spell to user confidence, which is thing that's actually, I think, a much technological survey, the user assurance is accordant with each the different affirmative numbers we're seeing close now.
NANCY CORDES: But you don't quality that the warfare has taken a toll connected parts of the economy?
KEVIN HASSETT: Right now, user assurance is the highest it's been successful – since the opening of the year, and truthful you don't spot a toll of the warfare connected user confidence, which is the Conference Board survey.
But, again, GDPNow, the Atlanta Fed's estimation of second-quarter GDP, is northbound of 4 percent. We've got archetypal claims for unemployment security arsenic debased arsenic they've been since the '60s. And truthful there's truthful overmuch going connected that is really, I think, astonishing radical that deliberation that the disruption from the Middle East is going to harm the economy.
It's conscionable not determination successful the data, but for the user sentiment data. But I really deliberation that we should halt calling it user sentiment and commencement calling it governmental sentiment, due to the fact that the variables truly are – it's truly a governmental variable, and not an economical variable.
NANCY CORDES: The information connected state prices is beauteous undeniable.
Memorial Day weekend, state prices are astatine a four-year high. AAA says they'll stay elevated passim the summer, astatine least. Last month, you said that precocious state prices would beryllium a impermanent phenomenon. Did the White House overgarment excessively rosy a representation of the interaction that this warfare would person by emphasizing that this was going to beryllium a four-to-six-week excursion?
KEVIN HASSETT: Well, I deliberation the 4 to six week was an close statement of like, when, the benignant of progressive kinetic events were going to happen.
Right now, I volition fto the president determine connected whether helium thinks the woody is acceptable to spell this week oregon not. But the bottommost enactment is, erstwhile the straits are open, past the tankers are going to spell backmost and they're going to refill the refineries astir close away.
A tanker goes astir 300 nautical miles a day, and truthful the places similar India and Pakistan, which are adjacent to the straits, are going to get their lipid and past crook it into refined merchandise close away. Singapore, which is 1 of the places wherever pitchy substance prices are the highest, is going to get its worldly conscionable astir close away.
But, if you're down successful New Zealand, it'll instrumentality a small spot longer. But, really, similar betwixt a period and 2 months, we expect everybody to person each the lipid they request astatine each refinery connected Earth.
NANCY CORDES: Well, we cognize that things volition get amended erstwhile the strait reopens. The question is, erstwhile volition it reopen?
KEVIN HASSETT: Right. Well, that's – that's thing for the president and Marco Rubio and the Iranians to enactment out.
NANCY CORDES: I recognize that, arsenic manager of the White House Economic Council, this $1.8 cardinal anti-weaponization money is not portion of your portfolio.
KEVIN HASSETT: Sure.
NANCY CORDES: But the backlash to that money did derail a measure this week that included backing for ICE and the CBP. And authorities backing is portion of your portfolio.
So, what is the medication doing, if anything, to effort to chill members of the president's ain enactment down connected this issue? They seemed truly aggravated and truly blindsided.
KEVIN HASSETT: Well, I don't cognize if crossed the committee they were, but there's surely immoderate radical who felt that way.
And – and our caput of limb affairs, James Braid, is simply a existent professional. He's been talking to everybody. He's been arranging for telephone calls with those of america astatine the White House that privation to speech to radical and perceive people's concerns.
But the bottommost enactment is that, you know, we expect the advancement that the president wants to spot successful Congress to happen. Congress has delivered implicit and implicit nether the enactment of Mike Johnson. And truthful I recognize that, you know, there's thing that was a small spot antithetic this week than possibly you expected, but I don't expect that to spell on.
And 1 happening we've seen from primaries is that radical that subordinate the president mostly regret it politically.
NANCY CORDES: "The Wall Street Journal" editorial committee truly took a swipe astatine the president implicit that fund, implicit the ballroom connected Saturday.
They said – punctuation – "Republicans don't privation to accidental this publicly, but, privately, they do. President Trump's idiosyncratic governmental obsessions are hurting his presidency, hurting the chances for further overseas argumentation gains, and putting power of the House and Senate successful jeopardy."
Does the president recognize that helium is putting Republicans successful a pugnacious spot by forcing them to instrumentality votes connected things that are unpopular, similar the fund, similar the ballroom, similar the war, successful a midterm predetermination year?
KEVIN HASSETT: Look, I respect "The Wall Street Journal" precise much. I saw Paul Gigot astatine the Kevin Warsh signing-in connected – conscionable connected Friday, but the bottommost enactment is, the president believes that the ballroom is thing that should person been determination for a agelong time, and he's utilizing his ain wealth and the wealth of donors to marque it truthful that the taxpayers don't person to wage for that ballroom.
And, arsenic acold arsenic weaponization, I don't deliberation that you oregon I would disagree…
NANCY CORDES: Well, they would person to wage a cardinal dollars, correct?
KEVIN HASSETT: No, it's not for the ballroom. That's for securing the full White House.
And, my goodness, to reason astir that aft we were each present yesterday – I really wasn't here. I was astatine my location a mates blocks distant erstwhile the shooting happened. Of course, we've got to marque the White House much secure.
But connected the $1.8 cardinal money for weaponization, I don't deliberation you would disagree, right? The erstwhile medication and the Obama medication weaponized authorities against President Trump.
And what helium wants to bash is marque definite that ne'er happens again and compensate the radical who were the targets of the demolition of their lives. What they would bash is, they would telephone radical successful to Jack Smith's office, and past hide them successful subpoena requests and bankrupt them. And that's thing that should ne'er hap again, never.
And I deliberation that I – I uncertainty that there's anyone that disagrees with that.
NANCY CORDES: Kevin Hassett, the manager of the National Economic Council, admit your clip this morning.
KEVIN HASSETT: Thank you. Same here.
NANCY CORDES: And we'll beryllium close back.
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NANCY CORDES: We crook present to the escalating Ebola outbreak successful the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Joining america to sermon is the erstwhile White House coronavirus effect coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx, who besides antecedently helped coordinate the planetary effect to the 2014 Ebola outbreak erstwhile she was planetary AIDS coordinator.
Dr. Birx, convey you truthful overmuch for being with us.
DR. DEBORAH BIRX (Former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator): Good to beryllium with you, Nancy.
NANCY CORDES : Doctor, the White House – the WHO, rather, says determination are present astir 750 suspected cases successful the Congo, astir the Congo, and astir 200 deaths. How does the severity of this concern comparison to erstwhile outbreaks?
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: Well, the occupation with this peculiar outbreak is determination was astir apt two, three, oregon 4 cycles of corruption earlier it was adjacent reported.
And truthful a batch of the numbers you're seeing and the accelerated emergence of the numbers is due to the fact that it went undetected and underreported for astir apt 3 oregon 4 weeks. That resulted successful a batch of lawsuit reporting each astatine once. And truthful I can't truly archer you what the slope of caller cases are, which is truly the important happening erstwhile you're pursuing an acute infectious disease.
But conscionable to marque it precise wide to your audience, the radical we are seeing contiguous that are cases were astir apt infected 2 weeks ago. And truthful I deliberation that's what makes america each acrophobic is, we're looking astatine this – astatine this microorganism and this outbreak with truly aged data.
NANCY CORDES: I privation to get to that hold successful reporting the outbreak successful a moment.
But, first, we saw this week that a level from Paris to Detroit had to beryllium diverted to Montreal aft a idiosyncratic from the Congo was mistakenly allowed to board. What bash Americans request to cognize astir the modulation of this illness and the hazard present astatine home? I deliberation radical are worried.
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: Well, erstwhile you spot this level of outbreak, ever since COVID, I tin recognize wherefore radical are worried.
But, remember, DRC has had 17 oregon 18 of these outbreaks successful the past 20, 30 years. So this is really reasonably commonplace, though this is simply a ample one.
I deliberation we learned from COVID however to beryllium overmuch much proactive astir preventing the microorganism getting to the country. Ever since we had those cases astir a decennary ago, what we did is, we truly strengthened hospitals. Now we person biocontainer facilities successful aggregate hospitals, truthful we're prepared if it ever happens oregon idiosyncratic enters the country.
But it's important that we are proactive, similar they person been. And erstwhile you person a question ban, you person to truly enforce it. And it's what they did erstwhile they diverted the plane.
NANCY CORDES: Is this question prohibition the close answer, radical from the Congo…
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: The question prohibition – yes. Yes.
NANCY CORDES: … from a mates different countries not being capable to travel into the U.S., adjacent greenish paper holders, if they've been successful that country implicit the past 21 days oregon so?
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: You know, I – it's portion of a broad response, which it is, and I don't deliberation it's getting that overmuch coverage, but wrong 4 days, the U.S. sent a DART team.
A batch of the USAID radical who are nary longer successful the USAID gathering are present successful the State Department and person been portion of Ebola responses, the 2014 and 2018 response. They're already connected the ground. There's a CDC radical that was successful Kinshasa, is permanently successful Kinshasa. They're responding.
And so, erstwhile it's portion of a broad backing response, yes, not arsenic a - - an lone 1 solution.
NANCY CORDES: As you know, successful the past year-and-a-half, the Trump medication has mostly dismantled USAID. It has withdrawn from the World Health Organization. It chopped backing to the Congo and Uganda.
Do you deliberation that those moves contributed to the hold successful reporting this outbreak? And are they contributing to the deficiency of supplies successful dealing with the outbreak successful the Congo?
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: Well, erstwhile I look what the medication has done recently, I deliberation they enactment $50 cardinal to $100 cardinal retired determination immediately, and sent people, that's portion of the response.
I deliberation the bigger question to maine is, a batch of america successful the planetary assemblage invested extensively successful creating the African CDC for this precise reason, for this precise response. Hundreds of millions of dollars went into gathering laboratory capableness successful the DRC, astatine the African CDC. And, for immoderate reason, that failed us.
And truthful what we request to bash is fig out, wherefore didn't we observe this earlier? Why didn't the institutions that we each stood up arsenic a planetary assemblage efficaciously power this outbreak early, truthful that it didn't dispersed arsenic acold and wide arsenic it has wrong the DRC?
I recognize it's a struggle area, but we person to bash better. We beryllium it to the radical successful the DRC.
NANCY CORDES: I perceive what you're saying astir the information that the wealth is present flowing from the U.S. to the region, but we speech to assistance workers successful the portion arsenic good who said that a batch of section programs were terminated aft USAID was dismantled, programs aimed astatine Ebola preparedness and response, and truthful they conscionable don't person the aforesaid capableness arsenic they did before.
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: I deliberation it's a large question, and we request to truly look astatine that.
I cognize CDC's Global Health Security programme was retained, and a batch of that backing retained. I cognize we had radical successful Kinshasa arsenic portion of the CDC. If you look astatine the Uganda backing – now, I'm looking astatine it from the HIV side, which truly built a batch of the laboratory capacity. This year, they're getting implicit $400 million, truthful possibly determination was a 5 percent cut.
But I deliberation the American radical were reasoning that these programs had been slashed. If you look astatine the MOUs of the agreements that the U.S. authorities person been made, I person really been reassured by the numbers that are determination connected paper.
NANCY CORDES: The U.S. close present does not person a confirmed caput of the CDC. It does not person a confirmed caput of the FDA, doesn't person a confirmed surgeon general.
Is the U.S. prepared to woody with an outbreak of Ebola oregon immoderate different infectious illness if it comes to our shores?
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: I deliberation it's a large question.
And watching however this plays retired volition beryllium precise important. And I'm watching that. They've already created an interagency Ebola effect task force. And conscionable to reassure the American public, I was successful the national authorities for 40-plus years and successful the subject for 29.
There's a heavy bench. And so, yes, it's important to person the leads of each of these agencies. I deliberation radical person been nominated to astatine slightest the CDC.So I deliberation that's precise important. But we bash person a heavy seat successful galore of these agencies. And I truly – I cognize them. They're large people.
I deliberation this interagency effect is already putting assets, people, and wealth connected the ground. And I deliberation what we bash request – I conscionable support coming backmost to African CDC, due to the fact that that was expected to beryllium our aboriginal mobilizer of protective gear, of testing, of assemblage work. And we conscionable request to fig retired however to fortify that adjacent further.
NANCY CORDES: Got it.
Dr. Deborah Birx, acknowledgment truthful overmuch for being with us. Thanks for the context. We admit it.
And we'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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NANCY CORDES: To commemorate Memorial Day arsenic we attack our country's 250th birthday, Margaret sat down with 2 Medal of Honor recipients, retired Army Lieutenant Colonel William Swenson and retired Army Command Sergeant Major Matt Williams.
Here's portion of their conversation.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Will, erstwhile President Obama presented you the Medal of Honor, helium said:
BARACK OBAMA (Former President of the United States): Americans similar Will punctual america of what our state tin beryllium astatine its best, a federation of citizens who look retired for 1 another, who conscionable our obligations to 1 another, not conscionable erstwhile it's easy, but besides erstwhile it's hard.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it a load to transportation expectations similar that with you erstwhile you participate backstage life?
LT. COL. WILLIAM SWENSON (RET.) (Medal of Honor Recipient): I deliberation we person to retrieve that the crucible of warfare is unfair, and it does bring retired some the worst of america and the champion of us.
In moments of large hazard to our ain lives, we bash things that are inexplicable, and we spot things that are astir astatine the level of miracles. People are coming unneurotic arsenic a squad to bash things that yet flies successful the look of bully decision-making.
But, ultimately, what they're doing is warring connected behalf of each different and connected behalf of their country. And erstwhile I admit that I received idiosyncratic accolades from the president, 1 of the things that we person to remember, specifically arsenic Medal of Honor recipients, is that we're the ambassadors to different people's stories.
We're ambassadors to those whose stories were not told. We're ambassadors to those who were with america connected the battlefield, Johnson, Johnson, Kenefick, Layton, and Westbrook, and they didn't travel home. Their stories are portion of our story.
We deterioration this medal arsenic a practice of service, not arsenic a practice of ourselves, and that is simply a value that we arsenic recipients of this grant person to retrieve is, our work is to proceed telling the stories, not conscionable of us, but of everyone we served with and everyone who volition serve.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That feels heavy. It feels similar you volition ever beryllium portion of nationalist work aft going done thing similar this.
LT. COL. WILLIAM SWENSON (RET.): I would say, arsenic Medal of Honor recipients, we are a precise just practice of America. We're a snapshot of this country. We travel from towns, cities, each walks of life, antithetic governmental views.
And, ultimately, we are a precise antiauthoritarian practice of the values of this country. But, arsenic recipients of this award, we person to instrumentality those backgrounds, immoderate humble, immoderate not, and, with that, proceed to effort to pb lives that are emblematic of what this grant represents.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And I recognize some of you are continuing to effort to – to assistance and to serve, peculiarly with veterans.
Matt, President Trump said of you:
DONALD TRUMP (President of the United States): We salute your unyielding service, your unbreakable resoluteness and your untiring devotion to our large nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you deliberation of those words arsenic a – arsenic a load oregon arsenic an duty for the remainder of your life? How bash you deliberation of it?
COMMAND SGT. MAJ. MATT WILLIAMS (RET.) (Medal of Honor Recipient): Yes.
I deliberation it's astir apt a small of both, but I volition benignant of framework it a spot differently. You know, to me, it's a privilege, due to the fact that not everybody gets the accidental to enactment this medal on.
Well implicit 50 percent of the medals that person been awarded person been awarded posthumously. To – truthful to beryllium capable to basal determination successful beforehand of the nation, successful beforehand of your family, successful beforehand of your peers, successful beforehand of your team, and person the president of the United States of America contiguous an grant to you that you tin ne'er consciousness similar you really ever earned, due to the fact that it's conscionable impossible, you know, is highly heavy.
And it is simply a burden, astatine the extremity of the day. And, you know, 1 of our – my friends and chap recipients, you know, Kyle Carpenter says it each the time. He calls it a beauteous burden. And I hold with him, to a point, but I besides – I besides deliberation it's a privilege, astatine the extremity of the day.
It's a privilege to beryllium capable to proceed to serve, service our country, service our people, service our chap recipients, and service the chap work members that are retired determination crossed the globe today.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Another cardinal day is Afghanistan. There has been truthful overmuch scrutiny successful this state implicit the warfare that ended 5 years agone this August. Hard to believe.
COMMAND SGT. MAJ. MATT WILLIAMS (RET.): Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: America's longest war.
I wonderment however that sits with you, since you some served connected that battlefield. What bash you deliberation of those who sacrificed successful that conflict? It's spoken astir successful truthful galore different, heated ways. But, for you, erstwhile you deliberation of that war, however bash you marque consciousness of America's experience?
LT. COL. WILLIAM SWENSON (RET.): As subject work members, we were asked by our state to spell service overseas connected behalf of the defence of the nation. It's arsenic elemental arsenic that. We did our jobs. We did our jobs honorably, and we did our jobs to the measurement that we near immoderate of ours behind.
There was nonaccomplishment of beingness due to the fact that we believed successful the mission. And, ultimately, arsenic work members, that's what we do. We service to the champion of our quality erstwhile our federation calls america to serve.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it hard to perceive radical speech astir the war?
LT. COL. WILLIAM SWENSON (RET.): Our warfare is portion of our history. Our work overseas is portion of our history. If we don't archer these stories, we arsenic a federation don't cognize however to ever improve.
We are an imperfect federation that's ever trying to improve, and it's done our past arsenic a lens that we look guardant connected however to bash amended adjacent time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How bash you consciousness astir speech astir America's longest war? I mean, is it painful?
COMMAND SGT. MAJ. MATT WILLIAMS (RET.): You know, I deliberation we person to speech astir it. You know, we person to larn from it.
You know, you tin – you tin emotion it oregon hatred it oregon hold with oregon disagree with it, and that's each fine, and that's your prerogative. And that's – that's portion of surviving successful a escaped country. You know, that's wherefore we did what we did, truthful that you tin disagree oregon similar oregon hatred oregon whatever. It doesn't matter.
You know, I deliberation astir it a small spot differently. You know, I'm not – I'm not bittersweet astir it. I cognize what I did implicit there. I cognize what I saw radical bash implicit there. My experiences person turn – made maine turn arsenic a husband, a father, arsenic a man.
And I deliberation each those things are highly important. I cognize what I served for. I cognize what I did. I cognize what we accomplished unneurotic arsenic a squad and arsenic an ODA and arsenic a Special Forces assemblage writ large. And I'm precise arrogant of that. I'm precise arrogant of my work to Afghanistan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We are coming up connected this 250th day of the American experience. What specifically makes you optimistic? Because this country, astatine times, tin consciousness dark, these days. There's a batch of darkness. What makes you consciousness optimistic?
LT. COL. WILLIAM SWENSON (RET.): Well, ultimately, due to the fact that we're successful Washington, D.C., and everything revolves astir politics, we person to retrieve that authorities aren't everything.
American lives proceed on. Children are born. Children spell to school. Lives are achieved. Dreams are achieved. This state is simply a large place. It's not politics. It's not conscionable what's the quality bites coming disconnected of media. Ultimately, we proceed guardant arsenic a country, continually imperfect, continually evolving forward, ever trying to execute a much cleanable union.
That's what's important to remember, what we tin execute aspirationally. No different spot successful history, clip oregon connected this satellite person ever gotten to wherever we are today. We request to beryllium arrogant of that, and we request to retrieve that is what we enactment focused on, what we tin be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What we tin be, and the committedness of it.
What makes you optimistic?
COMMAND SGT. MAJ. MATT WILLIAMS (RET.): It's truthful important to retrieve who we are arsenic a state and instrumentality an accidental to observe that, and deliberation astir each the – the challenges that we've overcome, however acold we've really come.
You know, I think, if you – if you framework it that way, you deliberation precise profoundly astir our trials and tribulations from opening to today, we've made tremendous strides. Our state is – you know, we're a ace – planetary superpower. Our system is doing well. All those things are great.
And – and instrumentality authorities aside, retired of this full conversation. Be grateful for what you've got and the large – the accidental that was provided for you. And, if you bash that, I don't spot however you can't beryllium optimistic astir our future.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, convey you. Thank you both, and convey you for your service.
COMMAND SGT. MAJ. MATT WILLIAMS (RET.): Thank you.
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We volition beryllium close back.
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NANCY CORDES: That's it for america today. Thanks for watching. Margaret volition beryllium backmost adjacent week.
On behalf of each of america present astatine Face the Nation, to our military, our veterans, and their families, convey you for your service.
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