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On this "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" broadcast, moderated by Ed O'Keefe:
- United CEO Scott Kirby
- Rep. Michael McCaul, Republican of Texas
- New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a Democrat
- Cardinal Blase Cupich, Archbishop of Chicago
- Peter Mandelson, U.K. ambassador to the U.S.
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ED O'KEEFE: I'm Ed O'Keefe successful Washington.
And this week connected Face the Nation: The papal conclave comes to a astonishment ending, portion there's increasing concerns implicit our aging aerial postulation power strategy up of a engaged summertime question season.
After caller aerial postulation power blackouts astatine Newark Airport, are our skies safe? And volition travelers spot much hose delays oregon higher summons prices this summer? We volition speech to United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby.
Plus: astonishment and jubilation present successful the United States and astatine the Vatican, the enactment of a caller pope, the archetypal ever American successful religion history. What benignant of interaction volition Leo XIV, with his American roots and Peruvian ties, person connected the Catholic Church? We volition sermon with Chicago's Cardinal Blase Cupich.
And, arsenic President Trump prepares for his archetypal ceremonial planetary trip, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he's unfastened to bid talks with the Ukrainians, arsenic tensions emergence betwixt India and Pakistan. Texas Republican Congressman Mike McCaul, New Mexico Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, and British Ambassador to the U.S. Peter Mandelson each measurement successful connected the quality of the week.
It's each up connected Face the Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face the Nation. I'm Ed O'Keefe. Margaret is disconnected this week. A blessed Mother's Day to her and to each the different moms watching.
We person got a batch to get to today, but we person conscionable learned that determination person present been 3 outages successful Newark Liberty International Airport successful caller weeks. The latest came overnight and caused a 45-minute crushed stop. At this point, the FAA says that 3rd occurrence was an instrumentality outage. We volition update you arsenic we larn more.
Now, Newark is simply a large hub for United Airlines. We spoke Saturday earlier this latest incidental with the airline's CEO, Scott Kirby, and asked him, is it harmless to beryllium flying successful and retired of Newark close now?
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SCOTT KIRBY (CEO, United Airlines): It perfectly is harmless astatine Newark and successful the full country.
And the crushed is, erstwhile these kinds of outages happen, we bid for them. We person backup procedures. We person backups to backups to backups to support the skies safe, which is ever the fig 1 priority.
And successful situations similar this, erstwhile the radar outage happened astatine Newark, what happens is the pilots look for alternate frequencies. They spell to alternate centers with alternate radars, and they besides person a strategy successful the airplane wherever they tin spot – it's equivalent of radar.
They tin spot their presumption successful the aerial successful the entity and each the different craft astir them. But what we bash is dilatory the full strategy down, which is disruptive to customers, but it's wholly safe.
ED O'KEEFE: Newark is your biggest planetary gateway connected the East Coast. Given the problems determination and the need, arsenic you've described them, to dilatory things down, what different adjustments are you making to operations?
And, particularly with the question play picking up into the summer, however is that perchance affecting the schedule?
SCOTT KIRBY: Well, astatine United, our fig 1 precedence is safety, but fig 2 is our customers.
And, successful this case, what we've done is we've proactively reduced flights retired of the schedule. The FAA is moving with different airlines to bash the same, truthful that we tin person the fig of flights scheduled astatine the airdrome that the airdrome tin accommodate.
Pruning the fig of flights conscionable creates much abstraction astatine the airport, allows the airdrome to run effectively. There's besides runway operation going on. That volition beryllium implicit June 15. That's going to treble the capableness of the airdrome erstwhile that happens.
ED O'KEEFE : Well, if you're pruning the schedule, past that means little proviso with expanding request going into the summer. Doesn't that perchance mean the outgo of a summons is going to spell up?
SCOTT KIRBY: My conjecture is, if you look astatine the summons prices flying retired of Newark close now, that, successful fact, is not what is happening.
There's little request due to the fact that there's concerns astir safety. And – and truthful what we've besides done is enactment bigger airplanes connected the route, truthful enactment a larger airplane, person less flights, but with bigger airplanes to support the fig of seats that we person flying successful and retired of Newark. And aerial question remains a beauteous beardown bargain crossed the state and astir the globe.
And request is – is strong. And we look guardant to carrying, you know, respective 100,000 customers a time each time this summer.
ED O'KEEFE: There's the outgo perchance to the customer. How astir the fiscal interaction connected United?
SCOTT KIRBY: Well, determination volition beryllium a fiscal interaction connected United, but our fig 1 precedence is safety.
We aren't adjacent reasoning oregon talking astir that.
ED O'KEEFE: Well, and determination is the broader contented of – bigger representation of aerial travel.
And you conscionable acknowledged that request is down successful portion due to the fact that radical are acrophobic astir safety, with each the issues that person happened truthful acold this year. But you've besides got economical turmoil prompted by tariffs. There's lingering concerns astir inflation.
And you've said you can't foretell however customers are going to beryllium spending their wealth going forward. So, I mean, what is the imaginable antagonistic interaction connected the question manufacture done the remainder of the year?
SCOTT KIRBY: You know, the question manufacture and United Airlines, successful particular, request has been resilient.
You know, we saw a deed to demand, opening successful February. Demand declined from what we were expecting it to be. But it stabilized into March and – and April and really has gotten a small spot amended successful May. And so, you know, everything I tin spot – we're a beauteous bully real-time indicator of the system astatine United Airlines.
And everything I tin spot is, the user is cautious, but inactive successful beauteous bully shape.
ED O'KEEFE: You know, you speech astir this world-class aerial postulation power strategy we have. You tin power the aircraft. You tin power the prime of the aviator you enactment connected that craft to alert it. You tin power the schedule, but you bash not power who's successful the operation and however galore radical are successful the tower.
So, you accidental it's a world-class aerial postulation power system. How tin you guarantee passengers of that, fixed each the issues we've seen, particularly this year, with the FAA?
SCOTT KIRBY: Well, we request to upgrade the strategy to really marque it world-class.
But aerial postulation controllers are the champion successful the world, unthinkable professionals, and they support the skies safe. And what happens erstwhile they're short-staffed oregon there's a exertion issue, they dilatory the airspace down. Essentially, what they bash is enactment much miles betwixt airplanes.
That gives them the quality to negociate and grip it. It leads to lawsuit impacts. We person to hold oregon cancel flights, due to the fact that determination are much flights scheduled than tin arrive, but it keeps the strategy safe. And that's perfectly what they should do.
ED O'KEEFE: You've done a precise bully occupation of laying retired however acrophobic and however focused you guys are connected safety, but you cognize determination are inactive radical retired determination who are genuinely conscionable acrophobic to fly, particularly fixed the incidental present successful Washington, the level that flipped implicit connected a runway up successful Toronto, each the adjacent misses oregon the clipped wings.
What bash you accidental to that idiosyncratic who thinks, OK, you accidental things are safe, but I spot each these different issues going on, wherefore should I get connected an airplane?
SCOTT KIRBY: You know, I recognize wherever they're coming from, work the aforesaid headlines that they do.
But it is – it's the safest manufacture by acold successful the world. It's the safest mode to question by far. The United States is the person successful information of everyone astir the globe. And I cognize that. I'm successful it, and I cognize it. I recognize however radical consciousness and empathize with that, but I cognize that it's harmless due to the fact that I person spent my full career.
I cognize each the radical successful aviation, whether they enactment astatine United Airlines, different airlines, astatine the FAA. Safety is fig one, and it is successful the halfway DNA of everyone.
ED O'KEEFE: We person seen reports successful caller days, speaking of the FAA, that they're going to get unneurotic with you and different airlines that alert into Newark to speech astir voluntarily having you trim the fig of flights that spell into that airdrome arsenic this gets sorted out.
Is that so the plan, and bash you expect your rival airlines to spell on with it?
SCOTT KIRBY: That is the plan. We've already started that process astatine United, arsenic the largest hose there.
I bash deliberation everyone volition bash it. The caput of proscription deserves immense recognition and the FAA for doing it. It's not an casual measurement to take, but it is the close measurement for customers. And, again, if they didn't bash that, the borderline of information would beryllium the same, but the – the airdrome would conscionable person much delays and cancellations and issues for customers.
But due to the fact that they're doing that, we're already backmost to operating a reliable hose for each airlines astatine Newark, and this volition conscionable guarantee that we bash it and get done the summertime and person clip to marque definite that that we get backmost to afloat capacity.
ED O'KEEFE: We've seen the proscription caput successful caller days telephone for tens of billions of dollars to beryllium spent astatine slightest implicit the adjacent 3 to 4 years to statesman that instrumentality upgrade and retraining of aerial postulation controllers.
He can't enactment a fig connected it. The House, astatine least, has enactment astir $12.5 cardinal to start. But everyone seems to admit it's going to beryllium a batch much than that. Is that sufficient? And don't you request assistance now, arsenic opposed to 3 to 4 years from now?
SCOTT KIRBY: Well, I deliberation this is the astir optimistic I person been successful my full vocation astir yet getting the FAA fixed.
I mean, I and others successful the aviation manufacture person been moving connected this for decades. And I deliberation we're yet – we've turned the corner, and we person the commitment. It's bipartisan. It's bicameral. It's, you know, Senate, House, administration, Secretary Duffy, crossed the board, a committedness to getting this fixed. We cognize however to bash it.
We conscionable request the volition to really travel done and get it done.
ED O'KEEFE: What makes you much optimistic that it's going to get done now? This has been thing they've been talking astir since the Bush medication astatine the opening of the century.
SCOTT KIRBY: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: And they haven't been capable to get it done.
SCOTT KIRBY: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: And each fewer years, idiosyncratic comes up with a plan.
SCOTT KIRBY: Well…
ED O'KEEFE: And you guys and everyone successful Congress go, oh, it's great, it's bipartisan, it's got everything we need, and it goes nowhere. So wherefore connected world is it much apt to hap this time?
SCOTT KIRBY: Yes. There's 2 things that marque it antithetic contiguous than successful the past. One, they've asked for each of the backing up front.
In the past, it's ever been a twelvemonth astatine a time. And erstwhile you bash things a twelvemonth astatine a time, particularly successful government, like, it conscionable stops and starts and stops and starts. You can't bash these large projects – like, nary institution would effort to bash large projects a twelvemonth astatine a time. So, this time, they're going to inquire for each the wealth up front, which lets you program the full task and get the full task done.
And the 2nd happening is people. You know, we person a caput who's action- oriented, who's committed to getting this done, and an FAA head that hopefully volition get approved soon.
ED O'KEEFE: Now they accidental they're going to springiness the wealth up beforehand for this project, but, astatine the aforesaid time, they're talking astir cuts to the Transportation Department and different cuts to the FAA arsenic portion of the DOGE project.
Do you person immoderate insights into however those imaginable cuts could impact operations of the FAA?
SCOTT KIRBY: I deliberation Secretary Duffy astir apt is the – the leading, golden prima for however to negociate done the DOGE process, which is, they enactment – they called it caution tape, astir each the safety, controller, each the captious functions.
And – and DOGE went and looked. And – and I deliberation they took 400 – astir 400 jobs retired of implicit 100,000 jobs, back-office kinds of jobs. I deliberation they've done a precise effectual occupation of protecting that halfway safety, operational enactment force.
One of the large challenges is, the controller enactment unit is astir 30 percent short, and getting backmost to afloat staffing successful the controller enactment unit is thing that Secretary Duffy and the full FAA are committed to doing.
ED O'KEEFE: But – OK, truthful you're telling us, then, the caput has assured you determination volition beryllium DOGE cuts, of course, but nary of them volition impact information astatine the FAA oregon thing safety-related astatine DOT?
SCOTT KIRBY: He has perfectly assured maine of that, and it's not conscionable the secretary. The radical astatine the moving level astatine the FAA person told our teams that arsenic well.
It's truly crossed the board. And this goes to the full information constituent for aviation. It's truthful successful the DNA of everyone that's affiliated with it that cipher would ever adjacent deliberation to compromise connected safety. And that's – that's not happening connected a day-to-day ground astatine Newark. It's not happening anyplace successful the airspace, and it's not going to hap with immoderate benignant of cuts that hap astatine the DOT oregon the FAA.
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ED O'KEEFE: President Trump departs to the Middle East tomorrow.
Our Imtiaz Tyab has the latest.
IMTIAZ TYAB: Well, the Trump medication is astatine the halfway of 3 fast-moving planetary flash points, archetypal Russia and Ukraine.
Last night, President Vladimir Putin projected nonstop bid talks with Ukraine successful the Turkish superior of Istanbul this Thursday, without preconditions. The connection follows a melodramatic sojourn to Kyiv by the leaders of the U.K., France, Germany, and Poland, a almighty amusement of enactment for Ukraine.
Now, President Zelenskyy has welcomed the proposal, calling it a affirmative motion and saying determination was nary constituent successful continuing the killing. But, for now, the warring continues.
Second, India and Pakistan. A U.S.-brokered cease-fire betwixt the atomic rivals collapsed wrong hours connected Saturday, aft some sides accused each different of caller strikes successful the disputed portion of Kashmir. Now, the woody followed days of diplomacy by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Vice President J.D. Vance. President Trump claimed recognition for the breakthrough, but cross-border rocket and drone attacks rapidly resumed.
"The New York Times" is besides reporting some countries concisely placed atomic forces connected alert, a sobering reminder of however unsafe and volatile the concern determination remains.
And, third, the Middle East. President Trump is heading to Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar to propulsion for commercialized deals, lipid concessions and Gulf investment. He's skipping Israel amid soaring unit successful Gaza, wherever assistance agencies pass of a deepening humanitarian catastrophe. Israel has not allowed immoderate assistance to participate the territory for implicit 2 months now.
Electricity and cleanable h2o are astir nonexistent, aesculapian supplies are moving out, and the fewer remaining hospitals are hardly functioning. U.N. officials besides warn, famine is imminent and are calling for an contiguous cease-fire to let lifesaving assistance in.
In each 3 arenas, the Trump medication is wielding influence, Ed, but not needfully control.
ED O'KEEFE: Imtiaz Tyab reporting from London, acknowledgment for that.
Now we crook to Texas Republican Congressman Michael McCaul, who joins america from Austin. He is simply a elder subordinate of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and the House Homeland Security Committee.
Congressman, convey you for being with us.
I wanted to commencement archetypal with the concern successful Ukraine, because, implicit the weekend, the U.S., Europe and Ukraine, enactment guardant a connection present for a 30- time cease-fire that would commencement connected Monday.
President Putin has fundamentally flouted it and is calling for nonstop talks again with Ukraine to beryllium held successful Turkey astatine immoderate point, without conditions. How adjacent are we, bash you think, to a breakthrough?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-Texas): If I could first, Ed, accidental Happy Mother's Day to each the mothers, particularly my wife, Linda.
Now, getting connected to the taxable astatine hand, it's – it's precise intense. You know, determination was a 30-day cease-fire called for. Mr. Putin decided to weaponry Ukraine connected Palm Sunday. He's not making immoderate concessions astatine all, portion Zelenskyy seems to beryllium making each the concessions.
So, if – the bottommost enactment is, Putin has to hold to a 30-day cease-fire for immoderate bid talks to spell forward. And the onshore that helium is asking for is – you know, adjacent J.D. Vance talked astir this and the president – you know, onshore that – that Russia has not adjacent occupied successful Ukraine. So helium has to run successful bully faith. We privation peace, but not bid astatine immoderate price, due to the fact that bid astatine immoderate terms is similar appeasement, similar we saw with Chamberlain and Hitler, and that's unacceptable.
ED O'KEEFE: Now, the president has suggested successful the past week that the U.S. mightiness enforce further sanctions connected Russia if they don't hold to this cease-fire.
You cognize that South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham has astatine slightest 70 of his colleagues successful the Senate connected committee with a caller sanctions bill. You're connected the House mentation of it arsenic well.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: How apt is that authorities to get to the floor?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: That's truly up to Mr. Putin. I mean, whether determination are sanctions oregon different supplemental measure to money this conflict, we'd similar to spot this happening implicit with.
The pope, who I'm truthful arrogant of being a Catholic, an American pope, called for peace, but not astatine immoderate price. And truthful if Mr. Putin does not hold to a 30-day cease-fire, I deliberation these sanctions are astir certain, not lone from the Congress, but from the White House.
ED O'KEEFE: Well, OK, that's 1 mode to telephone retired Russia, the other, I accidental were you to enactment unit connected Russia by continuing to limb Ukraine.
You were instrumental successful getting that past circular of subject assistance for Ukraine passed, but Speaker Johnson has said there's nary program to bring a caller circular of subject assistance to the House floor. What bash you request to bash present to person the talker to clasp a ballot connected that legislation?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Well, getting it passed the past clip was a large accomplishment. Had we not accomplished that, Ed, Russia would beryllium occupying Ukraine today, nary question successful my mind.
There is statesmanlike drawdown authorities for much weapons to spell into Ukraine if Mr. Putin decides to not negociate successful bully faith. So, again, it's really, up to Mr. Putin, who truthful acold has not been negotiating successful bully faith, arsenic to however we proceed from here. And we each privation this warfare to end. We each privation peace, but we privation a conscionable peace.
ED O'KEEFE: The president, arsenic we mentioned, is headed to the Middle East tomorrow, connected Monday.
There are reports he's nary longer demanding Saudi designation of Israel arsenic a information for a atomic woody with the United States. Is that a mistake, oregon is this atomic statement truthful captious that not acknowledging Ukraine, letting that spell is OK?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: We don't person each the details. I cognize he's determination to sermon an economical confederation with the Saudis, with the UAE, with the Arab nations.
And that's important, conscionable similar the minerals woody that the Ukraine parliament voted for. The much economically we're tied to the Middle East…
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: … the much we're security-tied.
And that – that volition propulsion China retired of the region. The eventual extremity here, though, is simply a normalization statement with Israel. We were getting adjacent to that, until Iran decided, done its proxy successful Gaza successful Hamas, to invade connected October 7.
So, the constituent is, we request to beryllium talking astir each this arsenic a package. But, again, we cannot person normalization until you person a cease-fire successful Gaza. And I deliberation that's the much hard portion here.
ED O'KEEFE: There's truthful galore conflicts successful the world. I, of course, meant Israel. You acknowledged that successful your reply there, the thought of normalization betwixt Saudi Arabia and Israel. A batch of issues astir the world.
There is 1 issue, though, backmost present astatine location I privation to speech to you about, again, due to the fact that you're a subordinate of the House Homeland Security Committee. Over the weekend, we saw Immigration and Customs Enforcement apprehension the politician of Newark, New Jersey, extracurricular a national detention center, and they're present threatening to apprehension 3 Democratic members of Congress for allegedly assaulting oregon touching an ICE cause determination connected the scene.
I'm conscionable curious, should ICE beryllium arresting oregon adjacent threatening to apprehension members of Congress?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: I mean, that's evidently a precise drastic move. I would lone bash that if they were complicit with a crime.
I don't cognize each the facts down this. If they were conscionable visiting a detention center, that's – I person done that galore times. If they're disrupting instrumentality enforcement, that's different question. So, you know, we tin peacefully protestation successful this country, but you cannot beryllium complicit with pack unit against our instrumentality enforcement. And I deliberation possibly that's what it comes down to.
Ed, if I could conscionable adhd 1 past happening connected the Gaza, Governor David Beasley, who won the Nobel Peace Prize, has been precocious tasked into an effort, if you will. And I conscionable talked to him connected the phone, had galore conversations with the Arab nations to effort to get this assistance into Gaza. He was a erstwhile World Food Program president.
If anybody tin get this happening done, it's him. And truthful I clasp large anticipation that helium whitethorn beryllium capable to bring an extremity to this struggle successful Gaza. Then we tin get to normalization. Then, for the archetypal clip successful our lifetime, we could spot existent bid successful the Middle East.
ED O'KEEFE: There were reports that Beasley was going to beryllium successful complaint of immoderate benignant of caller effort. Are you telling america that he's officially told you that's the program now, that he's been hired to bash it?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Well, it's not authoritative yet.
ED O'KEEFE: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: I expect it volition be. And he's had the conversations with the Arab nations who precise overmuch spot him based connected his anterior performance.
ED O'KEEFE: Sure, absolutely, good known for his enactment with the World Food Program.
I bash privation to inquire you 1 different thing, though, successful the homeland information realm, due to the fact that this past week, arsenic good White House elder advisor Stephen Miller said habeas corpus tin beryllium suspended astatine the clip of an invasion, saying the medication is looking astatine ways to perchance bash distant with owed process for undocumented immigrants.
You're an attorney. You're idiosyncratic who deals with homeland information issues and immigration, being determination from the Lone Star State. Is suspending habeas corpus for undocumented immigrants a bully idea?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Well, this is – was done by President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. It's a precise utmost measure, you know, to take.
Any idiosyncratic successful the United States nether the Constitution has owed process rights. So, I deliberation the courts are going to determine this 1 arsenic to whether this invasion, successful fact, constitutes a – what would beryllium a authorities of war. Some would accidental it would. People successful my authorities of Texas spot an penetration and the cause cartels and the information that they bring into my authorities successful this country.
I deliberation that volition beryllium a precise absorbing ineligible statement earlier the court.
ED O'KEEFE: Well, funny to telephone successful an invasion, particularly erstwhile the medication likes to punctual america that borderline crossings are, of course, astatine a historical low. So that'll beryllium portion of the ineligible debate. I suppose.
Congressman…
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: They person gone down substantially, yes.
ED O'KEEFE: They definite have.
Congressman Michael McCaul, convey you for globe-trotting with america this morning. We admit it.
And we'll beryllium close back.
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ED O'KEEFE: We volition person overmuch much successful our adjacent half-hour, including New Mexico's Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, who's lasting by.
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ED O'KEEFE: We volition beryllium close backmost with New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, positive Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago and the U.K. ambassador to the U.S.
Stay with us.
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ED O'KEEFE: Welcome backmost to FACE THE NATION.
We crook present to New Mexico's Democratic governor, Michelle Lujan Grisham, who is joining america this greeting from Santa Fe.
Governor, large to spot you.
Part of the crushed we wanted to perceive from you this week is Republicans present successful Washington are debating the aboriginal of Medicaid and are proposing each sorts of imaginable changes to the program. Your state's got the highest Medicaid enrollment per capita past we checked. We're hoping to get immoderate clarity this week connected what it is precisely Republicans are reasoning of doing with their fund blueprint regarding Medicaid. But I understand, 70 percent – much than 70 percent of Medicaid sum successful your authorities comes from national funding. If they commencement to marque cuts of immoderate sort, bash you person a program to marque up the difference?
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM (D-NM): Well, look, I deliberation each state, including this one, is going to bash everything they tin to support the radical that they are serving. And so, we'll bash the precise same. And, successful fact, we've created benignant of these Medicaid and related healthcare authorities funded programs and spot funds.
But this is precise simply an effort to destruct wellness attraction arsenic we cognize it, to rip it distant from mundane Americans, marque it much costly for everybody else. It volition adjacent hospitals. I deliberation thing similar 432 hospitals crossed the state are connected the borderline close now. About a 3rd of their backing comes – oregon much comes from Medicaid. So, you person little providers, you person less entree points.
No state, including this one, nary authorities tin instrumentality this benignant of outgo shifting. And, you know, businesses past don't person employees due to the fact that they don't person entree to wellness care. It has a immense economical origin that they aren't talking about, which is outrageous.
Let maine bash 1 much speedy point, due to the fact that I cognize we privation to get to different stuff. We had a politician who was trying to, I think, close earlier me, my – Governor Martinez, and to her recognition was looking astatine ways, successful a recession epoch system successful New Mexico, to look to person outgo savings. They wholly chopped behavioral wellness retired of Medicaid. And much than a decennary later, we are inactive digging out. Providers left. Contractors left. People don't person access. People died. More cause abuse. More cause addiction. More behavioral wellness high-risk issues. It is simply a disaster. And radical volition die. Children volition die.
ED O'KEEFE: I bash wonder, arsenic portion of this imaginable rollback, would you person to revisit the determination to grow Medicaid nether the Affordable Care Act if the national authorities cuts backmost connected funding.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: So, I'm committed successful New Mexico to put successful prime and access. If we were to rotation backmost those expansions, we can't bash that.
I would presume that my legislature is going to expect me, truthful I'm going to - - it's a teaser, that I'm going to travel retired for making definite that we clasp Medicaid until – if they cuts come, we get Congress – truthful this is simply a plea to mundane Americans. You telephone your subordinate of Congress. You fto them cognize what this interaction means to you and your family.
Women. Remember, fewer different OB/GYNs, less entree points, higher maternal wellness mortality rates, higher babe mortality rates.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: We request to marque definite that Congress understands, this is nary mode to set oregon code wellness attraction issues, which could usage immoderate efficiencies, and could immoderate – usage immoderate equality investments. There's nary uncertainty that there's immoderate discarded and fraud. Do that. Indiscriminately conscionable tearing isolated Medicaid means that you are going aft hard-working Americans successful favour of billionaires and corporations who don't request oregon are asking for this $1.5 trillion taxation cut.
ED O'KEEFE: That is – this is an contented that each and each politician is going to person to woody with successful 1 mode oregon different arsenic – arsenic the Congress sorts retired what to do.
I privation to inquire you astir a much unsocial one, two. New Mexico and conscionable a fistful of different states. You, of course, stock a borderline with Mexico. And the Trump medication has present acceptable up a unsocial nationalist defence country on that astir 170-mile span, giving the Army power of that portion for astir 3 years. You're looking astatine a representation there. That country successful yellowish is fundamentally this caller nationalist defence area. It means troops tin detain trespassers who participate the area. I'm curious, does this easiness your concerns astir borderline crossings arsenic a borderline authorities governor? Is this the mode to bash it?
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: I don't deliberation it is. That is not my – my astir large interest successful the deficiency of owed process and what I judge are wide violations to the Constitution and what we're doing astir immigration. Here's what I judge we ought to beryllium doing, and I judge the bulk of the members of my state, walk borderline argumentation successful Congress. Hire much borderline patrol agents. Make definite we're utilizing the subject successful places we request them. Make definite that states person entree to their defender for earthy disasters and related issues. This makes nary sense.
We've had the lowest for respective medication present borderline crossings. We should beryllium doing more. We should beryllium doing much to forestall folks from not having access, to beryllium capable to get visas and assertion exile and asylum status. We shouldn't conscionable beryllium doing that to South Africans. This makes nary sense.
But that's not my biggest issue. My bigger contented is indiscriminate ICE raids and sweeps sowing fearfulness successful communities and with businesses each crossed the country. And that includes galore communities close present successful New Mexico.
I've done a borderline flyover. I'm paying attention. You know, it's – it's disconcerting to spot tanks rolling close on your borderline acting and demonstrating these benignant of subject powers successful that way.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: But I would similar that Congress, the quicker they walk a borderline bill, a bipartisan borderline bill, past possibly we would person immoderate communal consciousness successful this debate. Go aft the cartel.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: Go aft atrocious members. Bring maine nationalist safety. Do that statewide. That makes the difference. They aren't doing that. They're rolling astir successful tanks, allegedly detaining 100 radical oregon much successful I don't cognize what timeframe.
ED O'KEEFE: We'll proceed –
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM Because that information's hard to get.
ED O'KEEFE: Right. We'll proceed to way it and inquire those questions to get a consciousness of however galore are being detained.
GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM: OK.
ED O'KEEFE: Governor, convey you truthful overmuch for joining us. We admit it.
And we'll beryllium close back.
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ED O'KEEFE: Pope Leo XIV called for bid astir the satellite during an code to a assemblage successful St. Peter's Square this morning. His archetypal Sunday blessings arsenic caput of the planetary christianity church. He emphasized the request for a lasting bid successful Ukraine, and helium called for an contiguous ceasefire betwixt Israel and Hamas.
Earlier this weekend, the caller pope held his archetypal gathering with the assemblage of cardinals. After that meeting, we spoke with Chicago Cardinal Blase Cupich astir what the caller pope said and what it means for the religion and the world's 1.4 cardinal Catholics.
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ED O'KEEFE: We cognize that 1 of the things helium discussed with each of you is concerns astir artificial intelligence, saying that it is 1 of the captious issues facing humanity. Did helium explicate why?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH (Archbishop of Chicago): He said that successful the discourse of linking to the enactment of Leo XIII during the infinitesimal of the concern revolution, saw that arsenic a caller era. And truthful helium sees this accidental close present of his work arsenic Leo XIV to instrumentality up the situation of a caller technology, namely artificial intelligence, and what that means to humanity.
He offered those remarks to springiness america an thought that helium sees that we are astatine a caller infinitesimal successful past and that the religion has to beryllium delicate and alert of what's going on.
ED O'KEEFE: I ideate this volition beryllium the taxable of large supplication and reflection by him and by each of you, but what perchance could the christianity religion bash to modulate oregon constabulary oregon power the usage of artificial intelligence?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: I deliberation it's astir apt up to legislators to enactment successful measures that regulate. I deliberation what we tin bash is to talk to the motivation and quality issues that are progressive arsenic this exertion develops. How is it that we tin proceed to sphere our humanity and besides turn successful it.
I deliberation determination are immoderate fantastic opportunities for artificial intelligence, but besides immoderate challenges that are unforeseen. The measuring rod has to be, however, what does it bash to our quality nature? What does it bash to our quality to enactment successful a precise quality way? Those questions, I think, are – we are precise good versed successful to beryllium capable to talk to and connection the satellite immoderate advice.
ED O'KEEFE: You know, immoderate clip a priest, a bishop, a cardinal begins a mass, you ever opening by saying, bid beryllium with you. And it was 1 of the archetypal things helium said signifier the balcony determination successful St. Peter's Square erstwhile helium greeted the crowd. I'm curious, arsenic pope, what does helium marque of this satellite connected fire, and what tin helium perchance bash to bring bid to the world?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: He wanted to marque definite that we, arsenic a church, presented to the satellite the accidental to bring a benignant of bid that begins successful each 1 of our hearts. We bash see, arsenic Pope Francis said, a satellite warfare that's being fought piecemeal. And truthful my anticipation would beryllium that helium would beryllium – helium would beryllium an cause of peace, looking for ways successful which humanity tin beryllium challenged, to look for ways successful which the differences that we person tin beryllium resolved successful a peaceful way.
You know, the different happening that comes to caput present is that the cardinals came to a determination successful conscionable 24 hours. Here we were implicit – implicit 130 men representing implicit 70 nations, and we were able, contempt each of the differences that we person successful connection and culture, to travel to a determination successful a unified way. Hopefully that is simply a motion that the satellite besides tin enactment retired its difficulties and differences successful a mode that's peaceful and that unites humanity.
ED O'KEEFE: Do we expect that he'll proceed Francis' bequest of weighing successful connected planetary politics, and is helium possibly calling connected each of you, arsenic his member cardinals, to bash the same?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Yes, I think, Ed, helium feels an obligation, arsenic I deliberation popes person successful the modern era, to talk to the issues of the day. Because we unrecorded successful a satellite successful which determination are existent challenges globally. There is, I think, a caller infinitesimal for america to examine, what are the quality dimensions of immigration. How bash we spot planetary warming impacting us? How the issues related to the suffering of humanity should beryllium – should interaction each of us, and marque each of america alert and enactment successful solutions.
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Your Eminence, it is Mother's Day, and I'm curious, what work does the christianity religion person to women close now?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Well, it's a large accidental to privation each mothers a Happy Mother's Day. I deliberation the important facet that was begun successful galore ways by Pope Francis is to admit the gifts and talents of women. They person to beryllium adjacent partners successful offering enactment successful the beingness of the church. Also, that their dependable is heard. They travel astatine beingness otherwise done their ain acquisition and enrich the discussion.
ED O'KEEFE: But you accidental determination women should beryllium adjacent partners, but the contented of women ever serving arsenic deacons oregon priests, of course, is 1 that adjacent Pope Leo disagrees with. Is this a settled issue, that determination volition ne'er beryllium that, but that helium possibly continues the elevation of women successful different Vatican enactment positions?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Well, yes, due to the fact that I deliberation that what the question comes down to is, however bash we springiness a spot successful the beingness of the church, particularly successful leadership, and besides to person the contented of women brought guardant successful the beingness of the church. Pope Francis has done that successful making, for instance, the politician of Vatican City, for the archetypal time, a woman. A pistillate who is the caput of a large decastry (ph) for religious, for men and women. And so, helium has looked for ways successful which the precise gifts and talents of women tin beryllium enactment to the work of – the beingness of the church. And I – I americium precise definite that Pope Leo XIV volition bash the same.
ED O'KEEFE: Let's get to the question that I deliberation is connected the minds of galore Americans still, we can't rather fathom the information that an American is present pope. You've known him for galore years. Both of you are sons of the Midwest. He's from the southbound broadside of Chicago. You were calved successful Omaha. You present are the cardinal of Chicago. How bash you judge his papacy is going to beryllium shaped by his Midwest roots?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Well, I deliberation that helium present has a batch connected his shoulders. And having been calved successful the metropolis of large shoulders, I deliberation he's up to the task.
But I besides don't privation to underplay the information that he's been shaped successful his acquisition of surviving successful Peru. The radical successful Peru see him their pope, their compatriot, arsenic he's besides a national of Peru. And besides he's has lived connected the continent successful Europe 12 years present successful Rome. So, I deliberation he's been shaped by each of that. But we'll instrumentality pridefulness successful the information that it each started successful Chicago.
ED O'KEEFE: And if a twelvemonth from present we're trying to measurement the Leo effect, possibly specifically connected the American christianity church, however are we going to cognize that it was a occurrence oregon a nonaccomplishment truthful far?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Well, I deliberation that, let's springiness him time. You know, possibly a twelvemonth is excessively speedy of a clip play to marque that assessment. It's a narration that's going to grow. And I – I conscionable – I deliberation that idiosyncratic who speaks similar an American to Americans is going to beryllium an opportunity, a caller accidental to reintroduce the societal teachings of the religion successful a mode that's going to marque america instrumentality a 2nd look astatine each of that arsenic Catholics successful the United States. That's what I'm looking guardant to.
ED O'KEEFE: And however soon bash we deliberation he'll visit?
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Well, I – it astir apt won't beryllium the archetypal one, but we're going to bash immoderate dense lobbying for Chicago to beryllium connected the itinerary erstwhile helium comes to the United States.
ED O'KEEFE: I would – I would deliberation helium would halt by. Why wouldn't he?
Cardinal Blase Cupich, of Chicago, the windy city, congratulations and convey you for spending immoderate clip with america this weekend. We admit it.
CARDINAL BLASE CUPICH: Thank you, Ed, for having me. I admit it.
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ED O'KEEFE: You tin spot much from our interrogation with Cardinal Cupich connected our website and our YouTube page. We'll beryllium close backmost with a batch much FACE THE NATION. Stay with us.
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ED O'KEEFE: We're delighted to crook present to the United Kingdom's ambassador to the United States, Peter Mandelson, who's present making his FACE THE NATION debut.
Ambassador, convey you for being here.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON, (U.K. Ambassador to the United States): It's large to beryllium here. And Happy Mother's Day to each those moms retired there.
ED O'KEEFE: Indeed. To each of them wherever they are.
I wanted to commencement with the information that the United States and the United Kingdom person present announced a model – a model for a commercialized woody that covers each sorts of things, steel, aluminum, cars, beef. You're scrapping a 20 percent tariff connected U.S. beef. You're raising the punctuation connected its imports. Do you person immoderate consciousness of however soon this woody is going to beryllium finalized, and bash you spot that the United States is going to clasp up its extremity of the bargain?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Oh, yes, we respect it arsenic finalized. A woody is simply a deal. And I perfectly person nary uncertainty that the president and his colleagues, Secretary Lutnick and USTR Jamison Greer, having said they would bash a deal, person been existent to their word. They delivered this deal. And I person implicit assurance that they'll spot it through.
And it reflects the struggle – the benignant of astonishing assured narration betwixt our 2 countries and the cordial narration personally betwixt the president and the premier minister.
And present we tin physique connected it. I mean we tin look astatine – look to different commercialized barriers that we tin bring down truthful arsenic to make much jobs successful the United States. And besides thing precise adjacent to my heart. I privation to spot america physique a adjacent U.S./U.K. exertion partnership, to put and physique aboriginal industries successful some our countries, which are science-based and driven by technology.
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: That would beryllium a large summation for some our countries.
ED O'KEEFE: And that's not portion of this woody truthful it requires different round.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Oh, yes. No, no, no, it's – it's featured successful the woody but it requires present work.
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: To plan it.
ED O'KEEFE: My work successful the British Press – I'm going to pin this connected the British property is, that you've accepted a worse woody than the U.K. had before, conscionable to get retired from the shadiness of the tariff threat. Is it that you guys possibly rushed to beryllium archetypal earlier each different countries?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: I don't – I don't – virtually didn't recognize the logic of that. The information is that –
ED O'KEEFE: Well, you're paying much tariffs than you were before, right? That's portion of it.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Well, successful immoderate cases. But successful different cases we're not. I mean, successful immoderate cases we're down to – to zero. So – and successful different cases, for example, successful autos, we've got perfectly unafraid quotas for exports to the United States. So, it's a bully deal, and I'm precise pleased that we've achieved it, but present we person to physique connected it.
ED O'KEEFE: The different tariff – happening that came up this week that has the imaginable to adversely impact the British system is the thought of a 100 percent tariff connected immoderate movies produced extracurricular the United States. Have you discussed that yet with the administration? Do you person immoderate consciousness of however that could adversely impact the British movie industry?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Well, we touched connected it. But this is American films taking spot successful Britain. And we privation to support the American movie industry. And tariffs, if you tin enactment a tariff connected a film, is not going to bash that. But whether it beryllium successful respect to films oregon pharmaceuticals that whitethorn beryllium coming down the way towards us, we person an statement successful this woody that British interests volition beryllium support alongside of those of the United States.
ED O'KEEFE: I privation to crook to Russia and Ukraine due to the fact that tat was a large absorption of your premier curate this weekend.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: He said aft the announcement of the projected ceasefire this play that if Putin, quote, "is superior astir peace, helium has a accidental to amusement it." But he's fundamentally ignored the ceasefire connection and is now, erstwhile again, calling for one-on-one talks. I mean bash you – is it the appraisal of your authorities that Russia is astatine each superior astir this?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Look, astatine look worth it's constructive that he's offered nonstop talks for Putin with – with the Ukrainians. But past erstwhile you look astatine the tiny print, you spot what helium – you spot that helium wants his talks. So, arsenic to telephone into question the precise beingness of Ukraine arsenic a escaped antiauthoritarian and sovereign nation.
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: And successful the meantime overnight this play we've had Russian munitions and drones raining down connected Ukraine and sidesplitting Ukrainian people. It doesn't look superior to us. And we're precise gladsome that the Ukrainians person embraced this ceasefire, arsenic the president asked them to do. But the information is that it looks arsenic if President Putin is engaging successful brinksmanship with President Trump, and surely arsenic acold arsenic we are acrophobic successful Britain, we lone privation 1 president to prevail successful this standoff, and that's President Trump, not President Putin. And that whitethorn require, therefore, further unit being mounted connected Russia successful bid to bring them to the negotiating table.
ED O'KEEFE: And I'm curious, you've been astir the president successful caller days. He's been intelligibly charmed by you. And you've been talking to the medication astir a big of things. Is it – is it your consciousness that helium and his medication has, successful essence, turned the country connected the Ukraine/Russia struggle successful the past fewer weeks, siding much present intelligibly with Ukraine?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: I deliberation we are astatine a defining infinitesimal successful this conflict, this warfare betwixt – that Russia has launched connected Ukraine. And that's wherefore I deliberation that the medication present needs to see however it's going to prosecute its extremity of peace. That extremity tin lone beryllium realized if Russia, Putin matches what Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians person offered, which is simply a 30-day ceasefire during which due negotiations tin instrumentality place. That's what we request to see.
ED O'KEEFE: Does the United States request to walk a caller circular of sanctions against Russia if they don't travel done successful the adjacent fewer days?
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: Well, Senator Lindsey Graham has a measure and –
ED O'KEEFE: He does, yes.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: With your (ph) colleagues up connected – connected The Hill, and deliberation the administering volition privation to justice the timeliness, the appropriateness of backing that bill.
ED O'KEEFE: All right. Ambassador Peter Mandelson, convey you truthful overmuch for stopping by. Don't beryllium a stranger. Come again.
AMBASSADOR PETER MANDELSON: I'd emotion to.
ED O'KEEFE: All right. Thank you.
We'll beryllium backmost successful a moment. Stay with us.
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ED O'KEEFE: That's it for america today. Thank you truthful overmuch for watching.
Margaret's going to beryllium backmost adjacent Sunday.
I'd beryllium remiss if I didn't accidental Happy Mother's Day to mom, to my mother-in- law, to my wife, and to each the mothers astatine CBS News and those of you watching. Tune successful adjacent Sunday to spot who's present to FACE THE NATION. Take care.
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