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On this "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Mike Waltz, U.S. ambassdor to the United Nations
- NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte
- Rep. Jason Crow, Democrat of Colorado
- International Atomic Energy Agency Director-General Rafael Grossi
- Siamak Namazi, Emad Shargi, Roger Carstens and Neda Sharghi
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I'm Margaret Brennan successful Washington.
And this week connected Face the Nation: Is President Trump eying an exit from the warfare with Iran, oregon is helium doubling down? An escalation successful the warfare with Iran, with atomic and vigor sites being targeted successful the Middle East and increasing tensions among the U.S. and immoderate allies.
Plus, a caller informing overnight from President Trump, threatening to destruct Iran's powerfulness plants unless Tehran reopens the Strait of Hormuz. Back home, the president says that astir of his objectives person been fulfilled successful the conflict.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the United States): Oh, I deliberation we person won, but we person knocked retired the navy, their aerial force. We person knocked retired their anti-aircraft. We person knocked retired everything.
No, I'm not putting troops anywhere. If I were, I surely wouldn't archer you.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: But CBS News has learned that determination are elaborate preparations being made for deploying U.S. crushed forces into Iran. So what's truly going on?
We volition speech with cardinal voices successful the conflict, including U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Mike Waltz, the caput of the U.N. atomic watchdog agency, Rafael Grossi, and NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte.
Plus, arsenic the standoff betwixt legislature Democrats and the medication implicit backing the Department of Homeland Security marks time 37, President Trump is present threatening to deploy ICE agents to assistance with the shortage of TSA agents astatine airports. We volition inquire Democratic Congressman Jason Crow wherever negotiations stand.
It's each conscionable up connected Face the Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face the Nation.
We statesman contiguous with the latest from the Middle East and Charlie D'Agata successful Arad, Israel.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA (voice-over): Overnight, Iranian ballistic missiles slammed into parts of Israel…
MAN: Whoa.
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MAN: Whoa! Whoa!
CHARLIE D'AGATA: … inflicting the benignant of demolition not seen present since the commencement of the war.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA: Nearly 200 wounded successful strikes successful the cardinal cities of Dimona and Arad…
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CHARLIE D'AGATA: … and, into the morning, hitting colonisation centers specified arsenic Tel Aviv.
Officials are investigating however the missiles pierced Israel's multilayered aerial defence systems amid worries Israel whitethorn beryllium moving debased connected interceptors arsenic the warfare enters a 4th week.
The motorboat of 2 long-range ballistic missiles fired toward the associated U.S.-U.K. subject basal of Diego Garcia – that's astir 2,000 miles distant successful the Indian Ocean – raising superior concerns astir some the scope and fig of these types of weapons. Iran claimed it was not processing missiles that could screen much than astir 1,200 miles, but these longer- scope launches present perchance enactment European capitals and much U.S. subject bases astatine risk.
Iranian authorities media has framed the overnight attacks connected Israel arsenic retaliation for the bombing of the Natanz atomic facility.
We're astatine the country of 1 of those strikes. You tin spot the crater down maine and demolition successful each direction.
But officials archer me, arsenic atrocious arsenic this was, it could person been a batch worse, due to the fact that it landed successful the mediate of a artifact of flat buildings, alternatively of connected apical of one.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That's Charlie D'Agata reporting successful Arad, Israel.
We're joined present by the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Mike Waltz.
And it's bully to person you present successful person.
MIKE WALTZ (U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations): Thank you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Ambassador, connected Friday, the president tweeted: "The Hormuz Strait volition person to beryllium guarded and policed arsenic indispensable by different nations who usage it. The United States does not."
And then, past night, helium threatened that if Iran doesn't afloat unfastened the Strait of Hormuz wrong 48 hours, the U.S. volition deed and obliterate their powerfulness plants, starting with the biggest 1 first.
So, which is it? Is the U.S. opening Hormuz by unit oregon having others bash it?
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Well, I deliberation it tin beryllium both.
It's not needfully mutually exclusive. I'm gladsome you're having NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte on. I think, astatine his urging and his leadership, we person present seen Italy, Germany, France, and a fig of others perpetrate to assistance with this effort, peculiarly since…
MARGARET BRENNAN: After combat operations end.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: … peculiarly since truthful overmuch vigor is going to Europe retired of the straits. We conscionable had the Japanese premier curate perpetrate to portions of her navy and the Japanese navy; 80 percent of what's coming retired of the Gulf is going to Asia.
So, we are seeing our allies travel around, arsenic they should. But, astatine the aforesaid time, the president is not going to basal for this regime, arsenic it's threatened and tried for 5 decades, to clasp the world's vigor supplies hostage nether its genocidal intent.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, immoderate allies similar the United Kingdom person talked astir things similar surveillance, anti-mining, anti-drone enactment for the United States, but successful that entreaty from the United States, I should accidental successful the Straits of Hormuz, but not until progressive combat ends.
To beryllium clear, that's what we're talking about.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Well, and the president's been wide too. He's going to proceed to lb Iran's capabilities, its missile, its naval, and its drone capability.
Yes, Margaret, we person to instrumentality a measurement back. We person seen what it's doing present successful presumption of attacking ports, airports, civilian infrastructure, hotels, resorts…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: … and what it's trying to bash to planetary vigor supplies.
One could lone ideate if it had a atomic umbrella. One could lone ideate if Iran achieved…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: … its purpose to test. Then you person Saudi Arabia wanting a atomic program, the – possibly the UAE, Turkey, oregon others.
And erstwhile radical inquire wherefore does this substance to our information present astatine home, it should petrify each American that you could perchance person a atomic Middle East awash successful weapons.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, they're not enriching. They weren't enriching starring up to this. This is what U.S. officials person testified to.
But conscionable connected this constituent astir what the president said helium wants to do…
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Well, they couldn't enrich due to the fact that of Operation Midnight Hammer that obliterated their quality to enrich. They had each intent to continue.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They bash person a atomic powerfulness plant, Bushehr.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It's really their largest vigor plant. It's a civilian site. So when…
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: It's really not their largest vigor plant. It's astir 1 gigawatt. They person larger ones that are gas-fired extracurricular of Tehran.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. So…
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: So, conscionable lawsuit successful point.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, but successful this case, are – successful that clarification, the crushed I'm asking you is, erstwhile the president says he's going to weaponry vigor infrastructure, civilian vigor infrastructure, is helium going to weaponry a atomic powerfulness plant, oregon is that disconnected the table?
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Well, I would ne'er instrumentality thing disconnected the array for the president, surely not connected nationalist television.
However, determination are larger plants. There's 1 extracurricular of Tehran. There are others extracurricular of different cities that are gas-fired, thermal-powered. I deliberation the important constituent present is to understand, the IRGC, a declared violent enactment not lone by us, but a fig of European countries…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes, successful Europe too.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: … controls a immense swathe of Iran's captious infrastructure, their system and surely galore of their governing institutions.
And truthful to the grade we are degrading their subject capableness and their defence concern base, each options should beryllium connected the table, and the president has made that precise clear.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How bash you guarantee that this doesn't represent a warfare crime, which the U.N. secretary-general said an onslaught connected vigor infrastructure could be? How bash you marque definite this is not wide punishment for guiltless civilians?
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Well, I think, you know, I would promote and volition promote the secretary-general to constituent retired the 20,000 to 30,000 Iranians that the authorities massacred astatine scale, the civilian infrastructure that they are attacking.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No 1 is endorsing that, but however bash you marque definite this doesn't hurt…
(CROSSTALK)
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: And erstwhile you – but erstwhile person a authorities that has its grips connected successful overmuch captious infrastructure, that is utilizing it to further not lone the repression of its ain people, to onslaught its neighbors, and successful contravention of U.N. sanctions to march towards a atomic weapon, past that makes those morganatic targets.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Well, you cognize that successful galore of these places, h2o desalination is linked into that vigor infrastructure, civilian infrastructure. This is wherefore it is simply a question of it being a warfare crime.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: I person nary uncertainty that – that the president, the Pentagon, their squad volition guarantee that what they people is geared towards the subject infrastructure of Iran.
But I person to archer you, they deliberately blend…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: … person a agelong history, everything from hiding weapons nether schools and hospitals, to utilizing powerfulness plants and different captious infrastructure, to not lone powerfulness their military, but their civilian, and they deliberately blend, successful contravention of planetary law.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let maine inquire you astir what we saw overnight with these rocket attacks.
The manager of nationalist quality testified past week to Congress that Iran could not make a militarily viable ICBM, intercontinental ballistic missile, earlier 2035, if it attempted to prosecute that capability.
Yesterday, the IDF said Israel – said that Iran did occurrence an ICBM. Has this changed the U.S. assessment?
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: I americium not acquainted with the IDF assessment. I tin archer you…
MARGARET BRENNAN: They said what was fired astatine Diego Garcia and them was an ICBM.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: I tin archer you the U.K. conscionable condemned the firing of an intermediate-range ballistic rocket astatine Diego Garcia. That aforesaid benignant of missile, Iran has lied astir successful presumption of its development, said they were not developing. Yet they conscionable lied. Yet they conscionable did it.
Not lone could it deed Diego Garcia. It could deed capitals successful Europe. And, Margaret, the technology, the booster technology…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: … that Iran has been hiding down its abstraction program, I don't deliberation we are going to spot Iranian astronauts connected the satellite anytime soon, that this abstraction programme has been hiding that technology. You person the reentry technology.
To wed the 2 truly doesn't instrumentality precise overmuch successful presumption of technological development.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: And we conscionable person to – you know, convey God the president is taking enactment present and stopping this march towards a afloat fledged atomic program, alternatively of waiting until aft it's developed, similar we saw successful North Korea nether the Clinton administration, say, surprise, we present have, a afloat program.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, truthful a quality determination successful the assessments. But fto maine inquire you astir our polling.
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AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: It wouldn't beryllium the archetypal clip you person antithetic quality assessments, by the way, by antithetic quality communities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Absolutely.
The medication hasn't convinced, we've seen it successful our polling, the bulk of Americans that this warfare was necessary; 66 percent of Americans judge struggle with Iran is simply a warfare of choice; 60 percent disapprove of the U.S. taking subject enactment against Iran; 57 percent of Americans deliberation the struggle is going precise oregon somewhat badly.
How bash you archer the American radical they're wrong?
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: Well, I tin – I could punctuation a full slew of polls that show, for example, self-described MAGA Republicans springiness the president a 100 percent support rating.
MARGARET BRENNAN: His basal is successful there, absolutely.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: A bulk accidental the fig 1 occupation of the commandant successful main is to support Americans safe.
I tin constituent present to an NBC poll; 90 percent of Republicans, broader Republicans, enactment Trump's effort to destruct Iran's atomic capabilities. And I person to constituent out, nary 1 should beryllium amazed here. President Trump has said Iran cannot person a atomic limb 2016 campaign, 2020 campaign. Since 2024, helium has said it 74 times retired successful the nationalist space.
So…
MARGARET BRENNAN: But if helium is going to perpetrate immoderate benignant of crushed troops oregon boots connected the ground, don't you deliberation helium needs to transportation the bulk of American people, not conscionable his base?
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: I deliberation the president volition support each options connected the array to unafraid these objectives.
And, arsenic a veteran, arsenic a parent, I convey God helium is not kicking the tin similar truthful galore administrations person for 50 years, until this is simply a catastrophic occupation wherever we person precise constricted options to woody with, overmuch little an full Middle East perchance awash successful nukes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ambassador Waltz, convey you for your clip this morning.
AMBASSADOR MIKE WALTZ: All right, convey you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Face the Nation volition beryllium backmost successful a minute, truthful enactment with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We crook present to NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, who joins america this greeting from The Hague successful the Netherlands.
Welcome backmost to Face the Nation.
MARK RUTTE (NATO Secretary-General): Margaret, it's bully to beryllium backmost connected the program. Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Good morning.
We did spot that Iran fired 2 missiles astatine Diego Garcia. That's that land successful the Indian Ocean which houses a U.S.-U.K. associated base. That was 4,000 kilometers from Iranian territory, furthest Iran has ever gone.
You conscionable heard Ambassador Waltz accidental determination mightiness beryllium a quality determination successful however Israel and the U.S. measure that capableness Iran has successful presumption of what they fired. But Israel says these were intercontinental ballistic missiles that could deed Berlin, Paris and Rome.
Does NATO stock that Israeli assessment?
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: We cannot corroborate that astatine the moment, truthful we're looking into that.
But if this would beryllium true, it is the much grounds that what the president is doing here, taking retired the ballistic rocket capability, taking retired the atomic capableness from Iran, is crucial, and precisely arsenic the ambassador conscionable said, Ambassador Waltz.
We person seen with North Korea, if we negociate for excessively long, you mightiness walk the infinitesimal wherever you tin inactive get this happening done, and North Korea present has the atomic capability. If Iran would person the atomic capability, including unneurotic with the rocket capability, it volition beryllium a nonstop threat, a existential threat, to Israel, to the region, to Europe, to the stableness successful the world.
So the president doing this is crucial. And I person seen the polling, but I truly anticipation the American radical volition beryllium with him, due to the fact that helium is doing this to marque the full satellite safer.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So – but, conscionable to beryllium clear, astatine this hour, bash you judge that Iran could weaponry Berlin, Paris and Rome? Are they each wrong nonstop menace range?
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: What we cognize for definite is that they are precise adjacent to having that capability. Whether this lawsuit with the U.K. base, Diego Garcia, we are inactive assessing.
But, if it is true, it means they already person that capability. If it is not true, we cognize they are precise adjacent to having that capability. And that is precisely wherefore I feel, successful Europe, that astir politicians, it resonates with them what the president is doing here, which is taking out, degrading Iran's capableness to be, again, an exporter of chaos, sheer chaos to the region, to the world.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, yes. Well, I'm definite the president appreciates your praise, but helium has been precise frustrated, and made that wide this week, with NATO and the European allies. He called NATO – punctuation – "a insubstantial tiger" without the U.S.
He said: "They kick astir precocious lipid prices erstwhile they're forced to pay, but they don't privation to assistance unfastened the Strait of Hormuz. Easy for them. Cowards. We volition remember."
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: I person been successful respective conversations this week with the president.
And the bully quality is that, look, we had the U.S. for weeks readying for Epic Fury. And for reasons of information and safety, they could not stock with European allies and allies astir the satellite and spouse countries what they were doing, due to the fact that that would person jeopardized the effect of the archetypal – archetypal attack.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Or it would person allowed you to plan.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: So, it is lone logical that European countries needed a mates of weeks to travel together.
But, astatine this moment, the bully quality is this, that since Thursday, 22 countries, astir of them NATO, but besides Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Bahrain, the UAE, person travel unneurotic to fundamentally reply 3 questions, what bash we need, erstwhile bash we request it, and wherever bash we request it?
These 3 questions are present worked done to reply the president's telephone to marque definite that we unafraid the escaped sailing done the Strait of Hormuz.
MARGARET BRENNAN: To beryllium clear, the president has said 4 to six weeks for this war. That would enactment america successful aboriginal April for an extremity to combat operations. But past he's besides sending troops. He's besides perchance asking Congress for much money.
What's the erstwhile part? When did helium archer you your enactment from these European countries volition beryllium needed? Because, from the sources I talk to, they are not consenting to nonstop successful the midst of combat.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: Obviously, I cannot, successful a programme which is aired astir the world, and you person a batch of viewers, sermon with you what is discussed successful secrecy.
But I tin guarantee you that, of course, and the U.K. is – is astatine the forefront of starring this effort of the 22 countries connected the enactment of Prime Minister Starmer. I person been connected a telephone telephone this week with Prime Minister Starmer and President Macron.
And, again, this has led to 22 countries present signing up to this initiative., indeed, 1 of the cardinal questions is not lone the what question and the wherever question, but besides the erstwhile question. And this is wherefore subject planners are present moving unneurotic to marque definite that we are ready, to marque definite that that thoroughfare – that that Strait of Hormuz, that we unafraid the escaped sailing there, which is important for the world's economy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president seemed to say, though, that this volition spell beyond Iran successful presumption of the interaction connected his reasoning astir NATO and his willingness to assistance Europe. Take a perceive to this.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the United States): I deliberation NATO is making a precise foolish mistake. And I person agelong said that, you know, I wonderment whether oregon not NATO would ever beryllium determination for us. So this is simply a – this was a large test, due to the fact that we don't request them, but they should person been there.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The president continues to framework this arsenic benignant of similar a quid pro quo, and he's besides mentioned Ukraine successful the aforesaid context, saying: I assistance Europe with Ukraine. Why aren't they helping me?
Are you disquieted that this is going to wounded NATO's goals elsewhere?
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: What I cognize is that we ever travel together. It was nether President Trump's enactment that we had the highly palmy acme successful The Hague wherever we agreed to walk 5 percent of our GDPs connected defense, and truthful equalizing for the archetypal clip since Eisenhower…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: So this is rather immoderate clip – immoderate clip backmost successful history, equalizing what the Europeans are spending and what the Americans are spending, not lone due to the fact that it is just that we each walk the aforesaid – and this was a privation from Trump 45…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: … and present is Trump 47. He got this done, but besides due to the fact that we request it due to the fact that of the Russian menace and our different adversaries.
Then, connected Ukraine, it is again the U.S. providing captious quality support…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: … and weapons flow, moving unneurotic with Europeans to unafraid Ukraine's combat against the Russians, making definite they person what they need.
And now, with Iran, I'm perfectly convinced – and I recognize the president's vexation that it takes immoderate time. But, again, I besides inquire for immoderate understanding…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well…
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: … due to the fact that nations had to hole for this not knowing, and for bully reasons…
MARGARET BRENNAN: No.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: … astir the archetypal onslaught connected Iran, but present coming unneurotic to marque definite that we tin beryllium capable to unafraid the Strait of Hormuz.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
No, but to beryllium clear, I person spoken to immoderate NATO members who accidental this is simply a antiaircraft alliance, not an violative one. We didn't motion up to spell bash what the president is asking america to do.
But connected the Russia constituent you conscionable made the European Council president said: "The U.S. determination to assistance sanctions connected Russian lipid exports is precise concerning, arsenic it impacts European security."
This is portion of what President Trump's doing to effort to halt the spike successful lipid prices present astatine home. The Treasury caput says this means astir $2 cardinal is going to Russia now. President Zelenskyy says it's much similar $10 billion. Doesn't this payment Vladimir Putin?
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: Well, this is the thing. The president has to equilibrium each these antithetic interests.
I cognize that helium is, with his team, with Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff and Marco Rubio, they are perpetually moving with the Ukrainians to enactment maximum unit connected the Russians to travel to a deal. I know…
MARGARET BRENNAN: This isn't maximum pressure.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: … I spoke an hour-and-a-half past week with President Zelenskyy successful London. He wants to get the woody done.
And we person to marque definite that we besides instrumentality this to the Russians, to marque definite that they are consenting to play ball. It is the president putting that pressure, unneurotic with the Europeans.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: But, again, helium has to equilibrium each these antithetic interests. So I'm not going to remark connected each constituent of what is happening here, but his effort to bring the warfare successful Ukraine to a palmy extremity is crucial.
He was the lone 1 who was capable to interruption the deadlock with Putin…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: … erstwhile helium made the archetypal telephone telephone successful February past year. And helium has consistently, with his team, done what is indispensable to enactment that pressure, of course, connected the Ukrainians.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SECRETARY-GENERAL MARK RUTTE: And they privation to play ball. They amusement this. They privation to extremity the war, and besides with the Russians.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we'll spot if Vladimir Putin wants to play ball.
Secretary-General, convey you for your time.
And we'll beryllium close backmost with a batch much Face the Nation. Stay with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we're joined present by Colorado Democratic Congressman Jason Crow.
Welcome back.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW (D-Colorado): Thanks, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you beryllium connected the House Intelligence Committee.
This past week, you heard the manager of nationalist quality attest astir Iran's capabilities, saying we wouldn't spot an ICBM that would, successful theory, beryllium the happening that would transportation a atomic warhead close to American shores.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
MARGARET BRENNAN: She said they wouldn't person 1 until 2035 if they adjacent tried astatine all. Is what – are you acrophobic she was wrong? Because Israel is saying that what was fired was an ICBM that was aimed astatine this U.S.-U.K. base.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: Yes, she could beryllium wrong.
And we person – evidently person to dive into the intelligence. The question has ne'er been whether oregon not Iran poses a menace oregon a bid of threats to the United States, but that's wherever the investigation begins, not erstwhile the investigation ends, right?
We person tons of threats. Kim Jong-un poses a threat. Putin poses a threat. We person threats astir the world. The question is, what bash we bash astir it? And, close now, we've spent $20 cardinal successful the archetypal 2 weeks of this warfare alone, $1.5 cardinal a day. Americans are paying $300 cardinal a time other vigor prices.
The panic menace astir the satellite against the United States and Americans is spreading. And there's nary off-ramp. We person nary strategy and nary endgame. This is simply a mess, by immoderate definition. And present we person to fig retired what we bash from here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, nary timeline beyond the 4 to six weeks has been briefed oregon shared with Congress astatine this point?
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: No. No, we person – we are not getting the accusation from this, this administration.
They started this warfare without legislature authorization. There's nary imminent threat. They really person adjacent stopped trying to unreal determination was an imminent threat, which is what is indispensable for the president to instrumentality enactment without legislature approval.
So, present present we are spending tens of billions of dollars of payer money, losing American lives. Congress isn't involved. We've been stonewalled. The American radical are not successful the driver's spot here, right, due to the fact that Congress has been sidelined successful this.
They are the ones that request to person the dependable successful whether oregon not they're going to nonstop their sons and daughters to spell combat this war…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: … whether oregon not they're going to concern it. It's clip for this to end.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let's instrumentality a break. I person much to speech to you astir connected the different broadside of it.
So each of you, delight enactment with us. We'll beryllium close back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we volition beryllium close backmost with a batch more, including Democratic Congressman Jason Crow, caput of the U.N. atomic watchdog bureau Rafael Grossi, and findings from our latest CBS News poll.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome backmost to "FACE THE NATION."
We instrumentality present to our speech with Colorado Congressman Jason Crow.
Before we permission the taxable of Iran, I bash privation to inquire you, past Sunday connected this programme the White House economical advisor, Kevin Hassett, said the warfare was up of docket and portion it was up to the fund office, helium didn't deliberation the medication would request immoderate benignant of supplemental funding. But past days later, Secretary Hegseth seemed to corroborate the Pentagon needed arsenic overmuch arsenic $200 billion.
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DEFENSE SECRETARY PETE HEGSETH: As acold arsenic $200 billion, I deliberation that fig could move, obviously. It takes – it takes wealth to termination atrocious guys. So, we're going backmost to Congress and our folks determination to guarantee that we're decently funded for what's been done, for what we whitethorn person to bash successful the future.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I cognize you're opposed to the war, but is determination a mode to operation this woody would you – wherever you would beryllium comfy with further funds?
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: No. If they deliberation I'm going to ballot for hundreds of billions of dollars for an unauthorized war, a warfare they didn't travel to Congress for, a warfare they haven't fixed an mentation to the American radical for what we're doing and not doing, however it's going to end, however we're protecting our work members. And connected apical of that, House Republicans gave DOD $150 cardinal slush money past summertime arsenic portion of Donald Trump's large disfigured bill. And connected apical of that, they accidental they're going to travel and inquire for a $1.5 trillion defence budget. And the Department of Defense, to this day, can't walk an audit. They can't archer america wherever each their worldly is, wherever they're spending each their money.
So, I'm not astir to propulsion wealth astatine a DOD that can't walk an audit, that's sitting connected wealth that they already haven't accounted for and haven't spent and to perpetuate an unauthorized warfare that is not successful America's interest.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I cognize you're a veteran, but you cognize that the accusation volition beryllium made that Democrats conscionable don't enactment the troops.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: There is – of people that's what they're going to say. But determination is plentifulness of wealth wrong DOD for subject families, for troops, for barracks. I person guaranteed that. I beryllium connected the Armed Services Committee and I volition proceed to propulsion guardant and ballot to marque definite our troops, our subject is taken attraction of, that we person the subject that we request to support America.
What I'm not going to bash is conscionable propulsion wealth astatine the Iran war, which they're present admitting is simply a war. This cannot continue. We spent 20 years successful Iraq and Afghanistan, trillions of dollars. It ends here. It indispensable extremity here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Tell maine though, arsenic a Democrat, due to the fact that Congress is scheduled to spell connected abrogation soon. A batch of TSA agents aren't receiving paychecks due to the fact that of this Democratic-led backing shutdown due to the fact that of a request to alteration migration policies. Something the White House has not made immoderate concessions connected that I cognize of to date. This is successful the Senate. But arsenic a Democrat, I mean, look astatine Denver Airport, adjacent your district. They're asking radical to donate acquisition cards for TSA agents to marque ends meet. The airdrome says, you know, this is simply a immense generator successful presumption of what the airdrome does for the region. This is hurting your community. How bash you proceed to support the shutdown?
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: I'm going to beryllium truly wide that this is simply a Republican shutdown. Full stop. Right. Just yesterday –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Republicans said that – funded each –
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: Just yesterday the U.S. Senate held a vote, and Senate Democrats enactment up an authorization to money everything but for ICE and CBP. That's Coast Guard, that's TSA, that's cyber security. Every azygous Senate Republican voted against it. In the House, we really person a bill, Rosa Delaro and Hakeem Jeffries, we person a cleanable measure that would unit a ballot to unfastened up everything, to money everything but for ICE and CBP. Republicans are stopping it. They're not adjacent allowing a ballot connected that bill.
So, we are acceptable to go. They are successful power of each facet of government.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But successful the meantime, these radical are near stuck. We're astir to beryllium successful outpouring break. Heavy postulation season.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: That's the Republican – they are successful power of each constituent of government. They're successful power of what we ballot for and don't ballot for. We are saying, let's unfastened it backmost up. Let's money Coast Guard, let's money FEMA, let's money TSA, let's money cyber security, which, by the way, we request due to the fact that we've conscionable started a warfare with Iran which has a immense cyber capability.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: We privation to money it. We're acceptable to money it. We volition instrumentality the ballot tomorrow. They're stopping that vote. They ain this shutdown.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman Crow, convey you precise overmuch for your clip today.
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll beryllium close back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The U.N. atomic watchdog agency, the IAEA, says it has not detected immoderate raised levels of radiation astir atomic sites that person been targeted by strikes successful Israel and successful Iran. On Thursday we spoke with the caput of that bureau and began by asking him whether Iran's atomic ambitions tin beryllium destroyed done subject action.
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RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI (Director General, International Atomic Energy Agency): Well, of people determination has already been a batch of harm done. Last year, 12-day warfare was successful that consciousness rather effective. This clip around, I deliberation the absorption of the run does not look to beryllium specifically the atomic facilities. Although determination person been immoderate hits successful the – successful Natanz and Isfahan, and besides connected different spot adjacent Parchin, which utilized to beryllium a installation much related to the weaponization efforts but backmost successful the aboriginal 2000s.
So, determination has been some. But I would accidental they person been comparatively marginal erstwhile you see the wide quality of the subject run truthful far. But so, going backmost to your question, determination has been a batch of interaction connected the program. One cannot contradict that this has truly rolled backmost the programme considerably. But my content is that erstwhile the subject effort comes to an end, we volition inactive inherit a fig of large issues that person been astatine the halfway of each of this. One, astir notably, the inventory of enriched uranium astatine 60 percent, which is precise adjacent to what we request to marque a bomb, that is going to inactive beryllium wherever it is largely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Under the rubble?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Under the rubble and, successful immoderate cases, nary rubble. Somewhere under. And also, importantly, immoderate facilities, infrastructure, equipment, which person astir most apt survived immoderate of the attacks. Even – they could beryllium damaged, earnestly damaged. But that is thing that we volition lone beryllium capable to ascertain erstwhile our inspectors spell back. So.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let's speech astir that. What I heard you accidental determination is Iran had that atomic weapons programme that successful 2003, according to U.S. intelligence, was halted. But arsenic you know, there's the statement implicit whether Iran's atomic programme really did person a weapons ambition. You were ne'er rather capable to accidental yes oregon no.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Well, due to the fact that we are – we are not analysts oregon radical having opinions. We are the IAEA. So, whenever we accidental something, it has to beryllium based connected existent inspection. And the happening is, and continues to be, one, yes, similar you say, yes, we haven't seen a systematic programme similar the AMAD (ph) program with offices radical reporting to radical and an array of places wherever you are doing stuff. But determination were many, galore concerning things. Many unanswered questions. And particularly since 2019, 2020, erstwhile I became – much oregon little erstwhile I became manager general, were, yes, successful 2015, successful 2016, erstwhile the JCPOA, the erstwhile agreement, you remember.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right, the Obama epoch atomic pact (ph).
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Exactly. When that started to beryllium applied, Iran was complying with a fig of things. But we started seeing caller stuff. We started seeing and getting caller elements that gave emergence to concerns. And we were talking astir them with Iran. And past it came a point, precise important point, erstwhile I said, you know, successful presumption of this, I person to accidental that I'm nary longer able, I'm nary longer capable to accidental that everything is successful order.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because you were uncovering uranium successful places it wasn't expected to beryllium due to the fact that they weren't allowing you unfettered access. You couldn't accidental intelligibly 1 mode oregon the other.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Exactly that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, let's travel backmost to that. According to what you did cognize and did – were capable to state successful these IAEA reports, Iran had uranium enriched up to 60 percent. Weapons people is 90, arsenic I recognize it.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And if that worldly remains present successful Iran aft combat ends, volition it inactive person atomic capabilities, if it has the enriched worldly and the centrifuges?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Well, you remember, and for this I would punctuation oregon partially notation to things that person been said successful Iran by Iranians. You retrieve precise important officials saying, we person each the elements of the puzzle. So, erstwhile this is said, we were telling them, this is unhelpful, oregon astatine slightest you should explicate what is – what is meant by that. The – it's a immense program, each right? And truthful – albeit the carnal distraction that has been operated, acted upon, these facilities, there's a batch going on. And don't hide something, Margaret. When we speech astir centrifuges, erstwhile we speech astir these benignant of facilities, this is an enactment that tin beryllium relatively, I won't accidental easily, but it is precise imaginable to reconstruct this effort. It's metallurgy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: It's a blase washing machine. It's thing - - I mean and you can't unlearn what you've learned and what you –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right. You can't weaponry distant the knowledge.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: And what you've mastered. I mean –
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, that capableness volition beryllium aft combat.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Exactly. And it was precise sophisticated. Let's not forget, again, referring backmost to JCPOA. JCPOA was based oregon predicated upon a precise primitive benignant of centrifuge. Now Iran has the astir sophisticated, accelerated and businesslike instrumentality that exists. And they cognize however to marque that. They cognize – and connected apical of that, determination mightiness – determination whitethorn beryllium places retired determination which are not atomic places. This is why. What I accidental is that we inactive request to find a framework, an agreed model that is going to beryllium providing america with the indispensable visibility and consciousness of a wide thought of wherever they are, what they privation to go.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because this warfare volition not destruct Iran's atomic ambitions and capabilities.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Any war. I would accidental immoderate war.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Any war?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Unless it was atomic warfare and you spell for distraction in, you know, unfathomable way.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Which we hope, of course, volition not – ne'er beryllium the case.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, speech to maine astir the options that we cognize are being discussed by the United States close now, including President Trump and Israel person talked astir the imaginable of sending peculiar forces successful to unafraid immoderate of this enriched material. You person been to Isfahan.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You person seen immoderate of the underground facilities.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How hard would it beryllium to determination these cylinders that are determination afloat of chemicals?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: We're talking astir cylinders containing state of – highly contaminated uranium hexafluoride of (ph) 60 percent. So, it's precise hard to handle. So overmuch truthful that, for example, successful presumption of this negotiation, we mightiness possibly sermon that a small bit, that did not carnivore fruit.
One of the things that we were discussing was down blending it due to the fact that of its trouble successful presumption of handling successful the scenario, for example, of a shape-out (ph) of the material. Actually grooming (ph) the material. So, it is precise difficult. Then, of course, I conjecture determination volition beryllium a fig of decoys, a fig of distracting cylinders, materials, implicit there, which would marque it precise difficult. I'm not saying it's impossible. I cognize that present determination are unthinkable subject capacities to bash that. But it would beryllium a precise challenging cognition for sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: For peculiar – for a subject cognition to beryllium carried out.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes. Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let maine conscionable inquire you astir 1 different thing. You've said astir fractional the atomic worldly was astir Isfahan. What does that –
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Maybe (ph) a spot more. There's – but the bulk of the worldly is there. And this is nary concealed due to the fact that I've seen a batch of hype astir it. This has been successful our reports. The immense bulk is there. There's immoderate successful Natanz arsenic good and immoderate different parts.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There is absorption connected these different undeclared facilities President Trump has brought up.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There's installation called Pick Ax Mountain, for example, that comes up.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes. Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you acrophobic astir those different sites?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Well, we should – we should sojourn those. They were not operational. So, this is wherefore we hadn't. You whitethorn retrieve that connected the – connected the eve of June 2025 campaign, Iran announced that they had a caller enrichment installation successful Isfahan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: On that aforesaid day, I issued a petition for an urgent inspection, which was granted. And the inspectors were there. And the greeting wherever the – oregon the – you know, precocious night, erstwhile the attacks happened, truthful we ne'er got to spot the place. We volition person to spell determination eventually.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Final thought here. Do you deliberation President Trump supports what I heard you say, which is that a subject run cannot destruct Iran's atomic programme and that the lone mode to recognize what they're truly doing is to beryllium connected the crushed inspecting it and that can't beryllium done by the United States' subject afloat either.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Well, I deliberation – I don't cognize what helium – whether helium would endorse this oregon not, but helium has said besides that, of course, the diplomacy is the preferred option. I deliberation that is encouraging. And we person had a precise constructive conversations successful the past and now. So –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Have you spoken to him?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Not to the president.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: No, I haven't had the honor. But I was talking to radical that I person been talking successful the past and we continue. We proceed this effort. I deliberation the essence of this is that successful the bleakest hr we should ne'er suffer hope.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You tin spot our extended conversations connected our website and connected our YouTube channel. We'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We crook present to our caller CBS canvass with enforcement manager of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvanto.
Anthony, bully to person you here.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, arsenic we were discussing earlier with U.N. Ambassador Waltz, the American people, they're conscionable not sold connected this war. Their skepticism is growing. Why?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: So, to measure a war, you request to cognize what the goals are, what you're comparing against. And the American radical progressively consciousness similar they haven't gotten a wide mentation from successful administration. So, against that backdrop, I asked them, OK, what bash you deliberation is important for the U.S. to beryllium doing? The apical reply was to person a speedy and palmy war. But beyond that, bulk accidental they privation to spot the atomic programme successful Iran stopped permanently. They'd similar to spot the Iranian radical beryllium harmless and free. And truly importantly, for a majority, it would not beryllium acceptable for them to spot the warfare extremity with the authorities inactive successful power.
Now, each those things mightiness beryllium incompatible with a speedy war. And it wouldn't beryllium the archetypal clip the nationalist asked for a wide scope of things. There's inactive a corporate uncertainly astir whether oregon not the U.S. would request to person boots connected the ground, nonstop successful crushed troops. But this is important astir duration of this. There's inactive a batch of radical who deliberation this whitethorn instrumentality months, whitethorn instrumentality years. And what that goes to is approval. The longer you deliberation this volition last, the much disapproving of it you are. That each ties up successful the uncertainty too.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That's the overseas picture.
Here astatine home, the astir measurable happening seems to beryllium the terms astatine the state pump. How are radical feeling quality the economy?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: They person noticed the summation successful state prices.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Of course.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Big, large fig spot present they've gone up. But it's the interaction much broadly connected the economy. They deliberation the warfare is having some a short-term interaction connected state prices and weakening the economy. But besides I asked astir the long-term, due to the fact that you perceive the statement retired there, well, it volition conscionable instrumentality patience. And let's thrust this out. But adjacent successful the agelong term, folks are not convinced that there's going to beryllium an betterment successful the system and besides that larger summation successful state prices.
The different portion of this excessively is, they spot this arsenic a warfare of choice, arsenic opposed to necessity. And what that does is it comes backmost to this, are you consenting to person patience? Right now, astatine slightest arsenic acold arsenic state prices are concerned, astir radical accidental they don't deliberation Americans should beryllium consenting to wage higher prices for it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Anthony Salvanto, convey you.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll beryllium close back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: There are astatine slightest 4 Americans presently detained successful Iran and 2 of them, Reza Valizadeh and Kamran Hekmati, person been designated by the U.S. authorities arsenic wrongfully detained. Last week we spoke with 2 men who person shared that acquisition of being held hostage successful Iran, Siamak Namazi and Emad Shargi. We besides spoke with Neda Sharghi, Emad's sister, who is present helping families of different wrongful detainees.
Here's immoderate of that conversation.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: For the American people, what bash you privation them to know, Neda, astir some the Americans who are held and the Iranians and the Iranian Americans who are backmost successful Tehran close now?
NEDA SHARGHI (Sister of Emad Shargi): Well, you know, I'm not an analyst. I tin springiness you a small spot astir my ain lived experience. You know, I was calved successful Iran. And I near with my household during the gyration successful 1979 with my parents and Emad. I americium an American now. But, you know, my state of commencement is inactive precise overmuch successful my heart. And determination are radical successful Iran who – each they privation is state and peace. And they – you know, it's pugnacious due to the fact that present I americium trying to advocator for Americans there, but I privation state for everyone. And I privation radical of Iran to find liberation conscionable arsenic much.
I bash privation to accidental that – benignant of to Roger's point, what happens with our American hostages, whether they're successful Iran oregon successful Venezuela is, that they ever go a hostage to different bigger, broader governmental issues. And I privation that, you know, Envoy Witkoff had benignant of – earlier helium started engaging with the Iranians, had said, we volition not speech to you until there's an unconditional merchandise of our Americans. I'm not definite if that was asked oregon not. But present we are again, you know, these Americans who are innocent, are, again, tied to this contented that's, you know, retired of their control. So, I privation – I privation Americans to cognize that, you know, Kamran and Reza are conscionable mean Americans who were determination benignant of to instrumentality attraction of household and they've been caught successful this large issue. And we request to – we request to person our authorities to abstracted them from what's going connected and find a originative solution, similar we did to get Emad and Siamak home. Find a originative solution to bring them home.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wonderment what you – but the 2 of you successful peculiar would accidental to President Trump astatine a infinitesimal similar this.
EMAD SHARGI (American Formerly Hed successful Iran): What I would archer the president is, helium has specified a large grounds of getting Americans location from each implicit the world. I don't deliberation immoderate different president has managed to bash what helium has done successful the archetypal 100 days. And I'm assured that if helium is alert that determination are Americans sitting successful Evin prison, that helium is going to instruct radical astir him to enactment that connected the agenda.
So, I deliberation it's important that helium hears that, that determination are guiltless Americans being held, similar we were, arsenic governmental pawns.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Siamak.
SIAMAK NAMAZI (American Formerly Held successful Iran): I wholly hold with Emad, and I can't imagine, if President Trump knew their names and knew these cases they wouldn't beryllium 1 of the priorities.
I would accidental that it is unfortunate that determination weren't – precedence was not fixed to them before. But arsenic I said, I personally deliberation that determination volition beryllium a clip soon, due to the fact that each wars extremity with immoderate signifier of diplomacy. So, I would implore President Trump to marque definite that portion of those negotiations that volition beryllium coming up is bringing our radical home.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That afloat speech is connected our website and YouTube page.
And a speedy enactment connected the statement implicit DHS funding, the White House sent a missive to Congress past week outlining immoderate concessions they are consenting to make.
Thanks for watching. I'm Margaret Brennan.
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