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On this "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Iranian overseas curate Abbas Araghchi
- Sen. Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia
- National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett
- Rep. Dan Crenshaw, Republican of Texas
- Former CIA enforcement and operative Jonathan Gannon, CBS News nationalist information contributor and Biden medication apical counterterrorism authoritative Sam Vinograd and vigor argumentation adept and expert Kevin Book
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I'm Margaret Brennan successful Washington.
And this week connected Face the Nation: The consequences of the warfare successful Iran are progressively reverberating crossed the globe. The world's lipid proviso is nether intensifying pressure, arsenic Iran threatens to stroke up tankers successful the Strait of Hormuz, and the U.S. strikes backmost astatine the bosom of Iran's captious lipid hub.
President Trump is present asking U.S. allies to nonstop warships to the portion to assistance support the strait open, arsenic Tehran doubles down connected its blockade. We volition get the latest from Iran's overseas minister, Abbas Araghchi.
Meanwhile, the symptom from the lipid proviso daze is opening to deed Americans astatine the state pump. We volition inquire President Trump's apical economical adviser, Kevin Hassett, what the medication tin bash to little vigor prices.
The apical Democrat connected the Intelligence Committee, Senator Mark Warner, and Texas Republican Congressman Dan Crenshaw volition beryllium present arsenic well.
Then: 3 convulsive attacks successful the U.S. past week against the backdrop of planetary conflict. How harmless are we successful the homeland? We volition get investigation from our sheet of experts.
It's each conscionable up connected Face the Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face the Nation.
This morning, the Israel Defense Forces accidental they person launched a caller question of strikes successful Iran, portion Iranian authorities media says Iranian forces person fired backmost astatine Israeli and American targets. The fig of U.S. casualties is present astatine 13, with the Department of Defense identifying the six work members killed past week erstwhile their subject refueling craft crashed successful Iraq.
Our elder nationalist information correspondent, Charlie D'Agata, has the latest from Tel Aviv.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA (voice-over): Among the six aerial unit present identified successful the clang of the refueler, Tech Sergeant Tyler Simmons. Sergeant Simmons was a roar operator, this video showing him refueling a combatant pitchy mid-flight.
Now thousands much U.S. sailors are heading to the portion equipped for adjacent combat connected oversea oregon land. The accrued firepower comes arsenic an Iranian- backed militant radical successful Iraq struck the U.S. Embassy compound, prompting officials to impulse U.S. citizens to permission the state arsenic soon arsenic possible, adjacent arsenic President Trump claimed to person wholly decimated Iranian subject targets connected Kharg Island, a important lipid hub.
Iran's grip connected the Strait of Hormuz has crippled astatine slightest 16 lipid tankers and different vessels, to the constituent wherever President Trump has adjacent asked China to nonstop warships, portion his medication claims U.S. and Israeli forces person neutralized astir of Iran's military.
Yet, successful an enactment of defiance, Iran's president and different elder officials were seen connected the streets taking portion successful unfastened aerial rallies earlier this week.
Here connected the streets of Israel, there's been a crisp summation successful the magnitude of rocket and rocket attacks from Iran and its proxy Hezbollah successful the past 24 hours. They person already begun cleanup of a onslaught present successful Tel Aviv conscionable this greeting – Margaret.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That's Charlie D'Agata successful Tel Aviv.
We crook present to the overseas curate of Iran, Abbas Araghchi.
Good evening to you, sir.
ABBAS ARAGHCHI (Iranian Foreign Minister): Well, bully evening to you. Thank you for having maine for the 2nd time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes, and they are bonzer times.
Minister, President Trump said this play helium is not acceptable to marque a woody with Iran due to the fact that the presumption aren't bully capable yet. His medication is saying this warfare could past different 3.5 weeks oregon so. Has Iran asked for a cease-fire?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: No, we ne'er asked for a cease-fire, and we person ne'er asked adjacent for negotiation. We are acceptable to support ourselves arsenic agelong arsenic it takes.
And this is what we person done truthful far, and we proceed to bash that until President Trump comes to the constituent that this is an amerciable warfare with nary victory. And, you know, determination are, you know, radical being killed lone due to the fact that President Trump wants to person fun.
This is what helium has said.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Have fun?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: So, we are not – yes, this is what helium said, that they are sinking, you know, ships and targeting antithetic places due to the fact that it is fun.
And the caput of warfare has said that determination is nary – nary mercy. And this is really a warfare crime.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Even saying that is simply a warfare crime.
So this is simply a warfare – this is simply a warfare of prime by President Trump and the United States, and we are going to proceed our self-defense.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that whitethorn beryllium your position, but, sir, this is simply a warfare of endurance for your government.
Minister, don't you person to negociate and scope out, either straight oregon done a 3rd party?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: No, it's not a warfare of survival. We person - - we are – we are, you know, unchangeable and beardown enough.
We are lone defending our – our radical from the – you know, the – this - - this enactment of aggression. And we don't spot immoderate crushed wherefore we should speech with Americans, due to the fact that we were talking with them erstwhile they – erstwhile they decided to onslaught us. And that was for the 2nd time.
There is nary experience, bully acquisition talking with Americans. We were talking. So, wherefore they decided to onslaught us? So what is bully if we spell backmost to speech erstwhile again?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I privation to travel backmost to that successful conscionable a moment.
You're referring to the diplomacy with President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and his envoy, Steve Witkoff. But conscionable to proceed connected this, Iran is sending its drones and its missiles into your neighboring countries, American allies passim the Gulf.
Before the war, your authorities traded with them. You had relations with them. If your authorities survives this conflict, however bash you spell backmost to doing concern with countries you're sending drones into and hitting civilian targets?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well, obviously, these are the countries who person fixed their ungraded to American forces to onslaught us.
So, what tin we do? We conscionable beryllium and ticker that Americans are – American forces are attacking america from their ungraded and we don't support ourselves?
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MARGARET BRENNAN: But your drones are going into civilian areas and hitting plants and hotels and civilians.
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: No, no. No, no, not – no, no, this is not the fact.
We are lone targeting American assets, American installations, American subject bases. Everything belongs to Americans. And this is simply a information that they are utilizing their soil. You know, conscionable – determination are many, galore examples.
Just yesterday, they, you know, attacked our islands utilizing HIMARS artillery rockets, which is – which are low-range, you know, rockets. And they usage the territory of UAE to onslaught us. Some – a week ago, 3 F-15 pitchy fighters were changeable down seemingly by affable occurrence successful Kuwait, but cipher asked what they were doing successful Kuwait.
They were utilizing Kuwait, and, you know, airspace of a neighborly, a affable state to onslaught us. So it is evident we cannot just, you know, remain, you know, silent…
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
Well, truthful galore of these countries are portion of CENTCOM. But – but this is – the constituent is that it's going to wounded your state successful the agelong term. But erstwhile we speech astir the Strait of Hormuz, which is specified an important transit constituent for planetary trade, you person said it is closed to Israel and it's closed to the United States.
"The Financial Times" is reporting that European diplomats from France and Italy are talking to your authorities astir trying to get harmless transition for their ships. Are you unfastened to restarting lipid and state vessels going done there?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well, we are unfastened to countries who privation to speech to america astir the harmless transition of their vessels.
It depends connected our – connected our…
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are negotiating with France and Italy?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: I cannot notation immoderate state successful particular, but we person been approached by a fig of countries who wants to person a harmless transition for their vessels.
And this is up to our subject to decide, and they person already decided to let, you know, a radical of vessels belongs to antithetic countries to walk successful a – harmless and secure. So we supply them information to pass, due to the fact that we person not closed this strait.
They are not coming themselves due to the fact that of the insecurity which is determination due to the fact that of the aggression by the U.S.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I privation to inquire you again astir the negotiations.
Iran has declared it has 440 kilos oregon truthful of atomic material. Where is that worldly now? Who has custody of it?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well, we person not declared. This is verified and declared by the agency.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That's right.
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: This is not a secret. This is not a secret. You know, the bureau person said successful his galore reports the nonstop magnitude of our enriched, you know, atomic material.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes. So wherever is it now? Who has custody of it?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: So, they are – they are nether the rubble.
You know, the – our atomic facilities were attacked, and everything is nether the rubble. Of course, you cognize determination is the anticipation to retrieve them, but nether the supervision of the agency.
If 1 time we travel to the decision to bash that, it would beryllium nether the supervision of the agency. But, for the clip being, we person nary program. We person nary program to retrieve them from nether the rubble.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Am I knowing you here? Because I cognize that you said, 48 hours earlier the U.S. strikes happened, you had personally offered to President Trump's negotiators to instrumentality that 440 kilo magnitude of 60 percent enriched worldly and to dilute it. You said Iran was acceptable to springiness that worldly away.
This was successful the woody that was besides presented to Vice President Vance by Oman.
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Today, is Iran inactive consenting to fto spell of that enriched uranium?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well, that was 1 of the elements of a woody that we were negotiating with our, you know, American interlocutors.
That 1 – that constituent were – dealt with the question of Iran's 60 percent enriched material. And I said – I offered really that we are acceptable to dilute those enriched worldly oregon down-blend them, arsenic they say, into little percentage.
So that was a – you know, a large offer, a large concession successful bid to beryllium that Iran has never…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: … wanted atomic weapons and would ne'er privation them. So…
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you consenting to springiness that up now?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well – well, determination is thing connected the array close now. Everything depends connected the future.
If immoderate clip successful the aboriginal we determine to participate into dialog with U.S. oregon different interlocutors, you know, we whitethorn determine what to enactment connected the table. For the clip being, thing is – thing is connected the table.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are astatine slightest 4 Americans being held astatine Evin situation that we cognize of, including a journalist, Reza Valizadeh, and Kamran Hekmati, a 61-year-old man.
What is the presumption of those Americans? Are they safe?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well, if – if they – if the U.S. and Israel bash not onslaught our prisons, I conjecture they are safe.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Foreign Minister, we are moving retired of time, and I tin spot the Internet is going successful and retired here.
I conscionable bash privation to constituent retired you're speaking to america via Zoom.
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Iranian radical don't person unfastened Internet access, but you do. Why?
FOREIGN MINISTER ABBAS ARAGHCHI: Well, I'm the dependable – due to the fact that I'm the dependable of Iranians, and I person to support their right.
So, this is wherefore I person entree to Internet to just, you know, person – person our dependable being heard by the planetary community. But Internet is closed due to the fact that of the information reasons, due to the fact that we are nether the – nether attack, we are nether aggression, and we person to bash everything to support our people.
In immoderate country, determination are, you know, urgent measures taken for the – for the involvement of war.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Minister, I'm gladsome the uplink worked to speech to you close now. We convey you for your clip this morning.
Face the Nation volition beryllium backmost successful a minute. Stay with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We spell present to President Trump's apical economical adviser, Kevin Hassett.
Good greeting to you.
KEVIN HASSETT (Director, National Economic Council): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The IDF spokesperson said this greeting that Israel's combat operations volition spell done the opening of April.
Is that besides the U.S. timeline? And, if so, however overmuch volition this struggle outgo the system if it goes connected different 3.5 weeks?
KEVIN HASSETT: Right.
Well, 1 of the things that we've been briefed connected astir each time is what's going connected and what the president is being briefed connected with respect to the Iran war. And, arsenic of yesterday, the communicative was, the connection was that people, the Defense – Department of War believed that it would instrumentality 4 to six weeks to implicit this ngo and that we're up of schedule.
And truthful we are a mates of weeks in, and I deliberation that should springiness you immoderate clarity astir erstwhile we expect that the president volition determine that we've achieved his objectives.
The different happening I tin accidental is that you tin besides look astatine futures markets, which are interesting, due to the fact that you've cited implicit and implicit the spot terms of gasoline, which, of course, is affected close present by the disruption of the strait. But if you look astatine the futures prices, they are expecting a rapid, accelerated extremity to the concern and much, overmuch little prices.
In fact, I don't deliberation I person seen a benignant of aboriginal terms way with specified arsenic steep a diminution successful each my years watching futures.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we volition speech astir the lipid commercialized aboriginal connected successful the program, arsenic those markets hole to unfastened aboriginal today.
But the International Energy Agency called this the largest proviso disruption successful the past of the planetary lipid market. So, I'm not definite however overmuch past charts are a aboriginal indicator here.
But the president is calling connected different countries present to nonstop ships to assistance support the Strait of Hormuz. You conscionable heard Iran's overseas curate saying Tehran has been approached by different countries astir negotiating their mode done strait.
If that benignant of dialog happens, are Americans conscionable going to get chopped retired here?
KEVIN HASSETT: Well, archetypal of all, you person to recognize that America is not going to person its system harmed by what the Iranians are doing.
The bottommost enactment is that, successful the '70s, we didn't nutrient overmuch oil, but present we do. And truthful America is successful a precise beardown position. They deliberation that they're going to harm the U.S. system and get President Trump to backmost down. There couldn't beryllium thing that was a stupider happening to say, due to the fact that the bottommost enactment is that our system has got each this momentum successful the world.
And we've got tons and tons of oil. We person tons of trading partners that are much connected the hook from imported lipid from these guys.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
KEVIN HASSETT: And, arsenic we tin see, it's wholly unacceptable that a authorities that would, you know, execution 40,000 of their radical conscionable a fewer months agone would beryllium blackmailing countries to fto worldly through.
President Trump thinks that is unacceptable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
KEVIN HASSETT: And for the planetary economy, we request to hole it, and we are going to hole it fast.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. It is simply a planetary market, but I instrumentality your constituent determination is supply. Of course, there's refining. There's different interruptions to the quality to entree lipid and gas.
But state prices themselves are up much than 20 percent since this struggle has begun. Jet substance prices are starring airlines to rise summons prices quickly. That's not my opinion. That's the United Airlines CEO who conscionable said that.
The American Farm Bureau warned of proviso concatenation shocks, erstwhile we already person grounds precocious input prices. So tin you springiness america immoderate benignant of projection present connected however this volition interaction user prices and for however long?
KEVIN HASSETT: For – for sure.
And – and I privation you to cognize that this is thing that the authorities has been studying for decades. And adjacent myself, erstwhile I archetypal came successful arsenic president of the Council of Economic Advisers, 1 of the archetypal assignments I got from General Mattis was to survey what happens if determination are lipid disruptions.
And truthful we cognize however to minimize – minimalize the interaction of this disruption. Now, you can't marque it wholly spell away, but you tin minimalize it.
And truthful we are expanding the magnitude of permits that we're giving to Venezuela. We're getting caller sources of fertilizer from Morocco and from Venezuela and different places to marque definite that our farmers person the fertilizer they need.
And we're adjacent reasoning up astir the pitchy substance problem, which is truly mostly a occupation for pitchy substance coming from Asia. And we person been successful discussions to marque it easier for overseas ships to spell from the Gulf of America implicit to the West Coast to marque definite that we don't person a disruption from pitchy substance arsenic well.
And truthful we are looking astatine each scenario, and we've got a program for each scenario.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Are you going to trigger those things and marque them operational, oregon are you conscionable looking astatine them? And however bash you forestall nutrient prices from besides going up?
KEVIN HASSETT: Right.
Well, the – the large occupation close present would beryllium vigor prices. And we're watching and monitoring closely. We're looking astatine things each time and seeing however rapidly we progress. The bottommost enactment is, again, that the crushed wherefore futures markets for lipid are dropping down towards $60 and adjacent beneath $50 successful the agelong tally is that we expect that, if Iran stops being this disruptive violent unit successful the Middle East, that determination volition beryllium a roar successful lipid accumulation and concern production.
But deliberation astir the harm, the harm that this evil authorities has done to their ain people.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
KEVIN HASSETT: Back successful the '70s, earlier the revolution…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
KEVIN HASSETT: … Iran was the 17th largest system successful the world. Now it's thing similar the 50th.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No one's going to support the regime's quality rights grounds connected this program.
KEVIN HASSETT: And truthful they've tally – they've tally their state into the ground.
But the constituent is that – I wanted to conscionable accidental that the countries astir them, they besides endure from the hazard of having them spell nuts and onslaught them. And truthful we expect that the planetary system is going to person a large affirmative daze arsenic soon arsenic this is over.
And we're inactive being briefed that it would beryllium 4 to six weeks from the opening and that we are up of schedule.
MARGARET BRENNAN: A large affirmative shock, 4 to six weeks. So this a April 9 script you're talking about? You are going to spot immoderate benignant of boost, adjacent – even…
KEVIN HASSETT: Well, the president volition determine – the president volition determine if they nary longer person the capableness of blackmailing america and harming our neighbors. And, erstwhile helium decides that, past helium volition telephone an extremity to the war.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That's a beauteous wide definition.
KEVIN HASSETT: Well, we've destroyed their navy. We've destroyed their aerial unit and truthful on. And truthful I deliberation we are good connected the way.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, archer me, however overmuch is this warfare going to cost? Because I cognize the Pentagon briefed it's going to beryllium astir $11.3 billion. Do you request to inquire Congress for much wealth to wage for what you're doing?
KEVIN HASSETT: I think, close now, we've got what we need.
Whether we person to spell backmost to legislature for much is thing that I deliberation that Russ Vought and OMB volition look into. But the latest fig – you said 11.3. The latest fig I was briefed connected was 12, and truthful it's consistent.
So this is thing that we've got the weapons that we've already got successful spot to bash this. And truthful we are not needfully going to request immoderate benignant of supplemental.
MARGARET BRENNAN: More than that was spent successful conscionable the archetypal week of the war. You cognize that. It was implicit $5 cardinal conscionable successful munitions. You're coagulated connected the 12?
KEVIN HASSETT: I said $12 – $12 cardinal – $12 cardinal was – was…
MARGARET BRENNAN: For six weeks of war?
KEVIN HASSETT: No. I'm sorry. The $12 cardinal was what I was briefed has been spent truthful far.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Oh, gotcha.
KEVIN HASSETT: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Kevin Hassett, convey you precise much.
We volition beryllium close backmost with a batch much Face the Nation.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We crook present to the vice president of the Intelligence Committee, Democratic Senator Mark Warner. He joins america this greeting from Richmond, Virginia.
Senator, a batch to inquire you astir successful respect to Iran, but I privation to commencement archetypal connected the homeland.
We had respective attacks, 2 being investigated arsenic panic incidents present astatine home.
Do we inactive person the senator? OK. Sorry. Glad helium tin inactive perceive me.
SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-Virginia): I'm here, yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The incidents present astatine home, including 1 successful Virginia astatine Old Dominion University, the gunman had served respective years successful situation for trying to enactment ISIS. He walked into an Army ROTC people and helium changeable the teacher dead. He injured 2 others.
How does a convicted ISIS protagonist bash this close nether the chemoreceptor of instrumentality enforcement? Whose occupation was it to way him?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Well, Margaret, I deliberation the occupation was expected to beryllium the FBI.
And, unfortunately, nether this FBI director, Kash Patel, helium has fired galore of the apical counterterrorism folks, counterespionage folks. And helium has taken – and I reported this galore times – adjacent to a 3rd of our FBI officers disconnected doing counterterrorism oregon doing enactment crimes and enactment them connected migration enforcement.
I knew this was going to travel backmost and wound us. And I believe, portion determination whitethorn not beryllium a nonstop narration here, we know, successful each of the offices, they've taken these FBI agents disconnected their captious cases and enactment them connected migration enforcement.
I deliberation that was a mistake. I privation to find retired however this feline was capable to inactive beryllium connected the loose.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: And we've got to get an – we've got to get an investigation, but we've got to get an FBI that is backmost focused connected protecting the homeland and preventing whether it beryllium terrorists oregon espionage taking place.
MARGARET BRENNAN: At this point, are you alert of immoderate credible threats to the homeland?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: I person not been briefed successful the past fewer days connected a further credible threat.
But this – let's enactment it similar this. You know, these are the things you person to program for if you are readying connected going to warfare connected a warfare of choice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: This is simply a warfare of choice. And if you conscionable spell done quickly, the president said determination were going to beryllium 4 goals.
Regime change. We've really got a worse ultimate person than the erstwhile one. And you heard the overseas minister. It doesn't dependable similar they're acceptable to determination out.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: The uranium enrichment, it would instrumentality troops connected the ground. Getting escaped of the missiles, we've attrited immoderate of those.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes. I get it.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: But the brainsick happening was that we didn't instrumentality the Ukrainian connection to spell aft – to usage their drones…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: .. which are overmuch cheaper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I request to speech to you about…
SENATOR MARK WARNER: So – and, finally, we've got the Strait of Hormuz closed.
Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I got to spell to a break, and I'm coming backmost to speech to you wherever I don't person to chopped you off.
Let maine conscionable spell to this interruption now.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And, aft this break, we volition beryllium close backmost with a batch much Face the Nation, truthful enactment with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome backmost to "FACE THE NATION."
We instrumentality present to our speech with Senator Mark Warner.
Senator, we were talking astir Iran earlier that break. It was a twelvemonth agone that the country's quality leaders sat earlier your committee and provided grounds astatine the worldwide threats briefing. And astatine that constituent the grounds was, quote, "we proceed to measure Iran is not gathering a atomic limb and that Khamenei has not reauthorized the atomic weapons programme helium suspended successful 2003." Clearly Israel disagreed with that U.S. appraisal and they persuaded President Trump. Were those U.S. quality leaders wrong?
SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-VA): No, they were not. There was nary imminent menace to the United States, and I don't judge determination was adjacent an imminent menace to Israel from Iran. Over a play of time, peculiarly with the ballistic rocket capability, Israel would beryllium much nether threat.
The determination to spell to warfare successful this lawsuit was a prime by President Trump. And arsenic I was racing done – I won't spell done the full database again, but it was authorities change, get escaped of the enriched uranium, get escaped of their missiles, descend the navy. I'm not definite we person reached palmy decision connected immoderate of those four, peculiarly connected the past point, the navy. They're still, you know, person hundreds and hundreds of these velocity boats that they tin works mines successful the Strait of Hormuz, which they've already partially mined. And present we're successful this condition where, you know, he's going to decide, I conjecture erstwhile helium feels it successful his bones I deliberation was the punctuation the president used.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: And is that the criteria erstwhile we've got virtually 13 work members killed. And I got a batch of those sailors connected the Ford that are location ported successful Norfolk, Virginia. And waiting for him to consciousness close successful the bones, that doesn't look to beryllium the close criteria.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we volition get an update from those quality leaders earlier your committee aboriginal this week. We'll beryllium watching that closely.
I privation to specifically inquire you, though, astir what happened with this deadly onslaught connected an simple schoolhouse successful Minab, Iran. Our CBS reporting is that astir 200 radical were killed, apt the effect of outdated quality that was utilized for the people coordinates, according to the preliminary assessment. Secretary Hegseth said helium has appointed an researcher from extracurricular cardinal bid to bash a afloat probe. From what you person been told, did the fatal mistake originate from wrong the quality community, oregon was this an contented with the subject not vetting the quality they were given?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Margaret, we've lone got preliminary assessments. And I privation a thorough investigation. But what I don't privation to bash is leap to the conclusion, whether it was CENTCOM, oregon whether it was a defence quality agency. Let's – that's what thorough investigations are expected to beryllium for. Clearly it was an American strike. I, again, consciousness a small disappointed that the president tried to contradict that astatine archetypal oregon accidental it was adjacent the Iranians. This is wherever – you know, what we've got – you know, the words of the president of the United States are terribly important successful moments similar this. And unfortunately, President Trump has – uses escaped connection each the time. Didn't ever travel to the American radical connected this warfare of prime and accidental what our goals are. And we inactive don't know, different than the 4 goals helium outlined. I'm not definite what we're going to accomplish.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: But he's going to past – whenever helium decides. And we – wherever I disagree with my person Kevin Hassett is, this is having a immense economical effect. In Virginia, 2 weeks ago, state prices were $2.81.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Today they're astir $3.45.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I conscionable –
SENATOR MARK WARNER: I saw a husbandman yesterday. His fertilizer costs person went up 40 percent.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No. And we'll proceed to way that.
Just to enactment a good constituent connected this though, due to the fact that this was a – this was a schoolhouse afloat of children. If a mistake similar this happens, are you assured successful the remainder of U.S. quality that is continuing to beryllium utilized for targeting and to pass what is happening connected the crushed present and the much than 50,000 work radical we person committed here?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: This is wherefore we privation the investigation. This school, though, was perfectly adjacent to an Iranian subject base. That does not excuse what happened, but that's why, earlier I formed blasted connected whether it was the subject oregon DIA –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: I privation to get the facts. I deliberation we'd each bash a amended occupation if we really argued from facts alternatively than from suppositions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes. Well, connected the facts, the Senate failed to beforehand that Homeland Security backing for the 4th clip yesterday. We person hose CEOs faulting Congress for not paying TSA agents. I've got video of TSA workers connected nutrient lines due to the fact that they conscionable missed their 2nd paycheck, fractional paycheck past time, afloat paycheck this Friday. Why can't you leaders interruption successful deadlock?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Margaret, I deliberation we should. And what we person offered is, let's wage TSA. Let's wage FEMA. Let's wage the National Guard – or, I'm sorry, the Coast Guard. Let's wage CISA. I'd adjacent accidental let's wage Customs and Border Patrol. If we can't hold connected ICE reforms, let's wage everybody other with the fund that the Republicans laid out. Why won't they conscionable instrumentality yes for an answer.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, they accidental it's wholesale backing not piecemeal.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Well, if you're going to money 95 percent, arsenic we did the equilibrium of the authorities –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes. Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Why not bash the equilibrium of DHS.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: With the objection of ICE?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we volition beryllium watching that.
Senator Warner, convey you for your clip this morning.
We'll beryllium close back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We spell present to Texas Republican Congressman Dan Crenshaw, who joins america from Houston.
Welcome backmost to "FACE THE NATION."
You, successful a erstwhile life, were a Navy SEAL. So, conscionable to pat into your expertise a small spot here, erstwhile you spot that President Trump is deploying a fewer 1000 much Marines and an expeditionary portion to articulation the 50,000 forces we person there, what does that awesome to you?
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW (R-TX): I deliberation it signals that there's a seriousness of supporting immoderate contingency operations mightiness beryllium needed. I don't deliberation radical should instrumentality that arsenic a boots connected the crushed deployment, particularly with lone 5,000 troops. These benignant of units are, you know, they could beryllium for evacuating American citizens retired of gulf allied countries. They could beryllium for a fig of things.
So, I instrumentality it arsenic a seriousness of committing to the situation, which is precisely what is needed. If you're going to bash this, which we person done, you request to spot it through. That's what I would beryllium advising the president. I'd beryllium advising the president to instrumentality it precise earnestly the Straits of Hormuz. This is thing we signifier connected a yearly basis. This is wherefore he's asked allies to travel to our assistance to support it due to the fact that we signifier this arsenic an workout yearly with 30 positive nations. So, I deliberation he's doing what's needed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Secretary Hegseth said earlier this period Operation Epic Fury would have, quote, "no anserine rules of engagement." Two days aboriginal helium said, "we are punching them portion they're down, which is precisely however it should be." This Friday helium said, "no 4th (ph), nary mercy for our enemies."
You've served successful uniform. Do you person immoderate interest that this benignant of connection is sending the incorrect connection to our troops who are bound by standards of proportionality oregon that it could backfire connected our troops?
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: No. If you fought successful these wars successful Iraq and Afghanistan, you would beryllium well-acquainted with atrocious rules of engagement. You know, the benignant of happening that says, look, you can't sprout unless you're changeable at. What he's saying is that, we are targeting Iranian subject without quarter. That's what he's saying. He's making it precise wide for our military, which is – which is simply a clarity that our subject has lacked successful galore of these conflicts of the past.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, adjacent though determination are nary crushed troops astatine this point, you deliberation that this is –
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: I can't –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Can you perceive me?
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: I can.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Oh, OK. So, you don't instrumentality that arsenic sending the incorrect awesome to our troops whatsoever oregon that it could enflame enemies who – if determination are ever crushed troops oregon a downed aerial pilot, for example, that they would beryllium mistreated?
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: No. No. Absolutely not. The rules of engagement volition beryllium precise wide and successful spot and successful penning for our troops. He is saying that to the American people. And truthful there's – there's subject connection that our troops abide by, which volition beryllium precise clear. I don't deliberation it sends immoderate incorrect message. I deliberation it's – I deliberation it sends precisely the close message. Again, it – my acquisition successful the military, I cognize what that means.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes. OK. The past clip you were with america we spoke about, you felt the request for motivation clarity. That was a operation you utilized for immoderate wrong your ain party, specifically astir anti-Semitism successful this country. I privation to work for you a fewer things that immoderate Republican lawmakers said this week.
Andy Ogles of Tennessee said "America is simply a merchandise of English Christian culture. Muslims don't beryllium successful American society." Florida's Randy Fine said, "we request much Islamophobia, not less. Fear of Islam is rational." And Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama posted a representation of the 9/11 onslaught adjacent to the New York City politician astatine meal breaking his accelerated astatine Ramadan with the phrase, "the force is wrong the gates."
What bash you deliberation of this language, and should Republican leaders talk up astir it?
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: I inactive deliberation it's reasonably fringe. I mean, look, the information of the substance is, extremist Islamism is bad, right? We've ever known that. That should not beryllium – that should not beryllium a arguable connection astatine all. There are plentifulness of peaceful Muslims who unrecorded among us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But that's not what they said.
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: I recognize that. But, you know, that's not a mainstream – that's not a mainstream communicative by immoderate stretch.
I deliberation trying to combat it internally, what astir apt gives it much – a batch much aerial than is necessary. We've seen that to beryllium the lawsuit as, you know, there's a Republican struggle ongoing close present implicit Israel and the anti- Semitism issues. And so, you know, 1 could marque the statement that speaking retired against it has lone inflamed it.
So, look, I inactive deliberation that's precise fringe. I don't deliberation that's – that's surely not the administration's position. And look, if we're going to spell aft extremist Islamists, wherefore we request to money agencies similar DHS, and that's what we're going to do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You spoke astir this civilization of misinformation we're surviving successful and you pointed to that arsenic 1 of the factors successful your caller superior loss. What lessons should different Republicans instrumentality from that? What bash you mean?
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: Well, I mean, I'm a unsocial Republican. You know, I've been the people of online smears and conspiracies for a agelong time. My predetermination was fundamentally a merchandise of that. You know, archetypal of all, you person astir 20 percent of Republican voters bothering to adjacent ballot astatine a primary. And past you person dozens of online smears and conspiracies that radical were going into the voting booth really believing. I mean believing I was worthy millions of dollars from insider trading. Doesn't substance however galore times we thought we had debunked that, oregon that – oregon that - - oregon that different radical and influencers and what person not person debunked it -
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: All of these things, radical inactive went successful believing it. And truthful the acquisition to beryllium learned is, look, you've got to get the information out. You've got to try. But yet this is simply a question for the American people. Are you going to judge everything you work online oregon that's sent to you successful your mail? I mean Democrats walk astir a cardinal dollars besides pushing these smears connected television. So, Republican voters are going to the voting booth believing what a Democrat told them connected TV based connected a smear header written by a wide newsman successful D.C.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW: So, that's the acquisition – and it's not conscionable for Republican politicians. It's a acquisition for Republican vote.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Misinformation.
Congressman, we admit your clip today.
We'll beryllium close back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we're joined present by a sheet of experts. Jonny Gannon is simply a erstwhile CIA operative with extended Iran experience, Sam Vinograd is simply a CBS News nationalist information contributor and was a apical counterterrorism authoritative nether the Biden administration, and Kevin Book is an vigor argumentation adept and analyst.
There is simply a batch for you to interruption down for me.
But, Jonny, I privation to commencement with you.
You conscionable came backmost from the UAE. They person taken a batch of incoming, successful peculiar drones.
JONNY GANNON (Former CIA Executive and Operative): More than anybody else.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that seems to truly person been underestimated by the United States. We've seen embassies, CIA stations, U.S. posts hit. What was it similar to beryllium successful the midst of that benignant of warfare?
JONNY GANNON: Well, look, there's a subject to Abu Dhabi and Dubai close now. Commerce is continuing, radical are inactive going to work. You've astir apt seen video of Sheikh Mohammed, the president of the UAE, successful the mall, talking with civilians, greeting children. But determination is nary uncertainty that radical are opening to consciousness these attacks.
I was connected the crushed successful some Abu Dhabi and Dubai. After 26 years astatine CIA, it's my archetypal warfare portion observed from a luxury hotel. But I noticed that arsenic the week went connected I was getting edgy. There is the interceptors overhead, there's the large booms, edifice windows shaking and alerts going disconnected connected your telephone astatine each hours of the time and night. So, for the clip being, it looks similar the bulk of ex-pats are staying put.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
JONNY GANNON: But determination is an exodus and determination is interaction connected the economies, truthful (ph) our partners.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Pain for our partners economically. And those partners, galore of them, lipid producers, earthy state producers. But those mines and those drones, they're cheap, but seemingly they're effectual astatine shutting down the Strait of Hormuz, Kevin. Do you expect that lipid prices are going to beryllium successful this 100 range? I cognize Iran is saying $200 barrel.
KEVIN BOOK (Managing Director, Clearview Energy Partners): Well, look, if the strait reopened today, it could inactive instrumentality weeks to bring accumulation backmost on. And damaged facilities, possibly months. So, there's country for the prices to emergence arsenic agelong arsenic the strait stays closed. And then, if we look astatine the strategical reserve draw, the bully quality is that we've drawn 400 cardinal barrels retired of the lipid savings relationship for the industrialized world. The atrocious quality is that we've drawn 400 cardinal barrels retired of the lipid savings relationship for the industrialized world.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Long word the White House says, oh, we'll bargain it backmost erstwhile it's cheaper, right?
KEVIN BOOK: Well, that's the close mode to bash it, you bargain security erstwhile you don't request it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
KEVIN BOOK: But close present we request it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sam, connected the homeland, we had each these horrific incidents, including that 41-year-old antheral who drove a car with explosives into Michigan's largest synagogue. He was a naturalized U.S. citizen. Brothers were members of Hezbollah, who had precocious been killed successful Lebanon, on with their children. We don't cognize yet if the attacker was progressive with Hezbollah, but what bash you recognize astir the menace representation astatine home?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Margaret, the diverseness and measurement of violent threats to this state has ne'er been higher. We person a wide scope of menace actors astatine play, individuals inspired and directed by countries similar Iran, by overseas violent organizations similar Hezbollah and ISIS, and individuals motivated by home governmental grievances and radical anonymous and more. At the aforesaid time, the net has been a unit multiplier for terrorism. Individuals person specified casual entree to contented online that tin radicalize them and important specified casual entree to accusation connected tactics, techniques and targets, which means that they tin crippled their attacks much rapidly and marque their attacks much effective. What that truly means is, we request a full caller exemplary for counterterrorism successful this state that includes instrumentality enforcement, but besides includes members of the public.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll beryllium listening if determination are immoderate answers astatine this worldwide threats briefing aboriginal this week that Senator Warner volition assistance oversee.
Jonny, connected what is happening. We already had the Gaza concern having raised the planetary menace picture. Now, astir the world, Americans are being warned to beryllium precise careful. How bash you recognize what Sam is talking astir present astatine home? I mean what astir Americans overseas?
JONNY GANNON: Well, there's nary uncertainty that the – that the threats are increasing. I'm a small spot dubious that the Iranian authorities close present tin scope retired and interaction america successful the homeland. Certainly radical who are inactive successful the gulf are vulnerable.
And I deliberation that, connected the backmost extremity of this, the quality assemblage and our national instrumentality enforcement are going to person to beryllium precise focused and well- resourced fixed what we saw aft the Soleimani strike, which was that the Iranians engaged successful lethal operations astir the satellite trying to termination American officials, oregon erstwhile officials. So, we tin expect that, I think, connected the backmost extremity of this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, I mean, it's inactive making radical truly nervous, Sam. I mean adjacent conscionable successful New York, you had the 2 Pennsylvania men, 2 U.S. citizens who were arrested, they were going to protestation the anti-Muslim protestation successful New York, but they assertion that they had ties to ISIS. It's not intelligibly directed by a state. It's not intelligibly directed by anyone. How bash you –
JONNY GANNON: Inspired.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Inspired. How bash you support yourself?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, what we person to deliberation astir contiguous is not conscionable however to heighten carnal information protections astatine targets. Certainly the authorities has a relation to play successful helping synagogues, churches, mosques, schools and others successful putting up information barriers, grooming information officers and those carnal information enhancements.
We besides truly person to treble down connected accusation and quality sharing. That's a authorities function, but it besides has to see the public. And what I mean by that is, the menace scenery is truthful disperse. There's truthful galore tentacles of this. That erstwhile individuals and communities spot an idiosyncratic that whitethorn beryllium exhibiting signs of violence, they person to inquire for assistance from instrumentality enforcement, from a societal worker, from a intelligence wellness worker, due to the fact that the pathway and the way to radicalization and mobilization is conscionable truthful rapid.
And I bash think, Jonny, that the Iranian authorities has demonstrated an unthinkable capableness to beryllium flexible and adaptive. They've played a agelong crippled here. They person invested successful propaganda and tools successful this country, arsenic good arsenic conscionable hiring radical to bash their soiled enactment for them, to specified an grade that I americium acrophobic that they person the intent and the capableness to, if not nonstop attacks present successful the homeland, to animate them.
JONNY GANNON: I'm with you 100 percent connected that, Sam. While I'm not a spokesperson for the U.S. government, I would adhd though that our quality assemblage has been precise focused connected that menace successful caller years –
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: I agree.
JONNY GANNON: As good arsenic national instrumentality enforcement.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Kevin, we heard from 1 of the president's advisers. He's got a wide array of them. David Sacks. He's not a nationalist information guy. He's the tech guy. But helium had an sentiment and helium went nationalist with it. And helium said, "the U.S. is simply a overmuch much almighty state than Iran but they person a dormant antheral power implicit the economical destiny of the gulf states and beyond that." There seems to beryllium unit to extremity this sooner alternatively than later. Is determination a clip framework connected these projections you're looking astatine successful presumption of the symptom threshold for lipid and state for Americans?
KEVIN BOOK: Yes, Margaret, Iran's asymmetric power implicit the strait is simply a beauteous almighty tool. And we're seeing that close present for each these producers who necessitate that oversea borne entree to their markets. They're shedding successful proviso close present truthful that they don't overflow their ain storage. What that means is, that the inventories that are guardant positioned successful the satellite are going to beryllium exhausted. The strategical reserves that are coming to the rescue volition beryllium used. But we're looking astatine weeks earlier things commencement to get precise tight.
Already successful Asian economies you're seeing refiners cutting their runs. You're seeing export controls truthful that products that are refined successful those economies aren't going to planetary markets. We're precise insulated present successful the United States. We're a nett exporter. The satellite itself uses 36 percent little lipid per dollar of existent GDP than it did 25 years ago. But we're talking astir 3 to 4 percent of the vigor that supplies planetary depletion going offline. We're going to consciousness that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Was determination immoderate justification to marque up for the information that America is helping enactment wealth successful Vladimir Putin's pouch by lifting these Russia sanctions? Is that going to marque a dent successful the lipid price?
KEVIN BOOK: I deliberation 1 mode to deliberation astir it, Margaret, is that some the strategical reserve gully and the Russian sanctions alleviation are tools that are disposable to the U.S. authorities close now. The terms mightiness beryllium higher without them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But we can't quantify it really?
KEVIN BOOK: It's hard to beryllium a negative.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But it – it's – is it conscionable to amusement they're doing something?
KEVIN BOOK: Well, determination is simply a definite – each idiosyncratic successful nationalist bureau tries to amusement responsiveness successful situation similar this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, OK. Fair. Fair.
KEVIN BOOK: The occupation is that arsenic the terms rises, interventions go much significant. Sometimes the champion happening is to bash thing and fto the marketplace enactment it retired but nary 1 gets elected to bureau connected that basis.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Fair point.
Jonny, the U.S. intel assessments accidental Iran's authorities is not astatine hazard of collapsing. You've been reasoning astir Iran for a while. What bash you deliberation of this caller ultimate leader, who we haven't seen retired successful public?
JONNY GANNON: Well, Mojtaba Khamenei is intelligibly not a charming nationalist face. What helium is, is simply a systems operator. So, helium was a gatekeeper for the ultimate leader's bureau successful the past. He has beardown ties to the IRGC and the Basij. He knows however powerfulness really operates. And helium is efficaciously a awesome of continuity close now. And I deliberation that's much important than being an existent – successful an existent managerial role. He is the connection from the authorities and that they are inactive successful control.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And the stableness of that regime?
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SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: It's comic the authorities and the bid and power implicit the asymmetric capabilities that Iran has to include, for example, proxies that whitethorn question to bash Americans harm, sleeper cells successful the United States and more. So, arsenic we bash deliberation astir the caller ultimate leader, I'm reasoning about, from a homeland perspective, whether that idiosyncratic has a bid and power implicit the tools that could, successful fact, harm Americans, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we'll – these are unfastened questions we're going to effort to get answers to.
Thank you to each of you.
JONNY GANNON: Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That's it for america today. Thank you for watching. Until adjacent week. For "FACE THE NATION," I'm Margaret Brennan.
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