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On this "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Sen. Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia
- Rep. Michael McCaul, Republican of Texas
- Scott Gottlieb, erstwhile FDA commissioner
- Rafael Mariano Grossi, manager wide of International Atomic Energy Agency
- Amir-Saeid Iravani, Iran's ambassador to the United Nations
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I'm Margaret Brennan successful Washington.
And this week connected Face the Nation: Putting past week's melodramatic subject strikes speech for a moment, President Trump turns his absorption to getting his Big Beautiful Bill done Congress.
President Trump warned his enactment Saturday that refusing to enactment his signature home spending measure would beryllium an enactment of the eventual betrayal. He deed the play people with a cardinal GOP holdout and 2 of the bill's supporters. Earlier, helium took purpose astatine Democrats.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the United States): The Democrats privation to springiness you the biggest taxation summation successful the past of our country. They person things, whether it's borderline oregon economical improvement oregon nary taxation connected tips and Social Security and nary taxation connected overtime.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Plus, we volition instrumentality a look astatine that astonishing drawstring of overseas argumentation successes past week with the apical Democrat connected the Senate Intelligence Committee, Virginia's Mark Warner and Texas House Republican Michael McCaul.
Then: What's adjacent erstwhile it comes to Iran? We volition speech with the caput of the IAEA, the watchdog bureau who monitors atomic capabilities successful Iran, Rafael Grossi, and talk to Iran's ambassador to the U.N., Amir Saeid Iravani.
Finally, erstwhile FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb volition articulation america for a world cheque connected caller developments with vaccines and wellness policy.
It's each conscionable up connected Face the Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face the Nation.
Last night, the president's Big Beautiful Bill passed a cardinal procedural ballot successful the Senate, but efforts to marque the authorities palatable to capable Republicans to unafraid last transition continue, arsenic you tin see.
Overnight, determination are caller complications. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates that the Senate measure would outgo astir a trillion dollars much than the House bill. That's a preliminary estimate. But if the measure passes the Senate arsenic it presently exists, that could jeopardize the fragile enactment among fiscal conservatives successful the House.
We statesman contiguous with Virginia Democrat Mark Warner. He is the vice seat of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Good morning.
SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-Virginia): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You person been astir apt sleep-deprived with each of what is happening.
But I privation to inquire you astir what's going on, connected Capitol Hill. Republicans are going to walk this on enactment lines. It's expected, right? But it includes things successful present that Democrats, including you, had supported, right, the nary taxes connected tips provision, much wealth for Border Patrol, enlargement of the childcare taxation recognition upwards of $2,000.
Why ballot against it erstwhile determination are fashionable provisions wrong it? And doesn't that conscionable let the president to say, oh, you privation to rise taxes?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Margaret, you tin enactment arsenic overmuch lipstick connected this pig arsenic you want.
This volition beryllium a governmental albatross for the Republicans.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Why?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Because it takes 16 cardinal Americans disconnected of wellness attraction sum with cuts to Medicaid and cuts to the Obamacare marketplace.
That volition determination america arsenic a federation backmost to the aforesaid percent of uninsured we had earlier Obamacare. And it's not similar these radical are not going to get sick. They're going to amusement up astatine the exigency room. Rural hospitals are going to unopen down. That has been evidenced crossed the nation.
It besides goes aft nutrient assistance. Do we – are we truly successful specified a spot that we're cutting, successful my state, a mates 100 1000 radical disconnected of schoolhouse lunches, schoolhouse breakfasts? They adjacent chopped nutrient banks. It's cruel. They person besides ended up, astatine the extremity of the day, cutting 20,000-plus cleanable vigor jobs.
And for what? This was to marque definite that the highest, astir affluent Americans tin get an other taxation break. And, arsenic you conscionable saw connected your Chyron there, it adds $4.5 trillion to the debt. I deliberation galore of my Republican friends cognize they're walking the plank connected this. And we volition spot if those who've expressed quiescent consternation volition really person the courageousness of their convictions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, immoderate of the Republicans are arguing, well, we person to woody with these entitlements, and the enactment requirements and things that whitethorn pb to immoderate of the deficiency of qualifications you speech about, they're not that burdensome. It's unpaid enactment oregon part-time work. So are you overstating it?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: No, it's 16 cardinal Americans disconnected of wellness care.
Medicaid cuts, they're – these numbers, they're not my numbers. They're each autarkic sources. And what – the happening that I don't deliberation radical person realized, radical say, well, I'm Medicaid, I'm not poor, I possibly buying my wellness security done the marketplace. Your rates volition spell up $800 oregon $900 a month.
And that volition trickle done the full remainder of the wellness attraction market, because, if you abruptly instrumentality radical retired of the system, they amusement up astatine the exigency country successful uncompensated care, the lone mode those costs get passed connected is higher wellness security to each of america who person accepted coverage.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, if this is truthful against their ain interests, wherefore haven't you been capable to peel much Republicans away?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: Well, I deliberation we volition see. Even arsenic precocious arsenic conscionable an hr ago, immoderate of the peculiar Medicaid provisions for definite states, I think, were disallowed due to the fact that of the alleged Byrd rule.
And it's not implicit until it's over. I volition springiness you – I volition assistance that President Trump has been capable to clasp his enactment successful enactment successful an unprecedented manner. At the different end, this measure volition travel backmost and wound them. This is going to bash truthful overmuch harm successful presumption of not lone wellness care, nutrient assistance, the full conception that we are moving towards cleaner and vigor jobs, each connected the chopping block, adding $4 trillion into the debt.
Tell me…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: … astatine the extremity of the time however that is bully for America. I don't deliberation you tin marque the case.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Education is different beforehand successful this combat with the president. And I privation to inquire you astir what's happening successful Virginia.
We saw the University of Virginia's president, James Ryan, resign connected Friday. This was extraordinary. This was a unit run from the Trump medication implicit diverseness oregon alleged DEI programs.
In a letter, and I privation to work this, Ryan wrote that, if helium had tried to combat back, "Hundreds of employees would suffer jobs, researchers would suffer funding, and hundreds of students could suffer fiscal assistance oregon person their visas withheld."
But helium resigned to debar this. Is that present the playbook for different assemblage presidents, locomotion away, don't person the fight?
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SENATOR MARK WARNER: This is the astir outrageous enactment I deliberation this assemblage has taken connected education. We person large nationalist universities successful Virginia. We person a precise beardown governance system, wherever we person an autarkic committee of visitors appointed by the governor.
Jim Ryan had done a precise bully job, conscionable completed a large superior campaign. For him to beryllium threatened – and, literally, determination was denotation that they received the missive that, if helium didn't resign connected a time past week by 5:00, each these cuts would person taken place.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It was that explicit?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: It was that explicit. This is extortion.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But that sounds personal. That doesn't dependable circumstantial to argumentation oregon changes.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Like, however does the adjacent assemblage president get successful enactment and get the money?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: You're shocked that is coming – idiosyncratic attacks are coming retired of this administration?
This is – I thought the Republicans were astir states' rights. I thought the Republicans were astir let's transportation much powerfulness to the states. This national DOE and Department of Justice should get their chemoreceptor retired of University of Virginia. They are doing harm to our flagship university.
And if they tin bash it here, they volition bash it elsewhere. At the extremity of the day, I recognize that, with truthful galore things astatine stake, that the thought – and I deliberation Jim Ryan laid it retired – that helium was consenting to marque his idiosyncratic occupation much important than these cuts, but, boy, oh, boy, that shouldn't person been the choice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, and we cognize that the assemblage – that the medication is looking astatine much universities and the adjunct A.G., Harmeet Dhillon, indicated that publicly, and University of California adjacent successful the crosshairs. So we're going to beryllium watching that carefully.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: They each to marque them similar Harvard. They privation to instrumentality connected nationalist universities the mode they person present taken connected the Ivies.
End of the day, this is going to wounded our universities, pursuit distant world- people talent.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: And, frankly, if we don't person immoderate level of world freedom, past what benignant of state are we?
MARGARET BRENNAN: I privation to inquire you astir your oversight relation connected Intelligence.
You were briefed connected what's going connected with Iran. You said you fearfulness the American radical are being fixed a mendacious consciousness of comfortableness with these declarations of ngo accomplished. Do you judge U.S. quality knows however overmuch of a capableness Iran maintains now?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: I don't deliberation we person last assessments.
Let maine – archetypal of all…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: … we don't privation Iran to person a atomic weapon. Secondly, the subject performed an bonzer mission. And I deliberation they effected a large woody of harm to Iran's facilities.
But the thought that the president of the United States with nary information 2 hours aft the onslaught is abruptly hitting the modular of saying full obliteration, that leads america to deliberation that they are retired of the game. And it – we don't cognize that yet.
And let's conscionable beryllium clear. You tin really acceptable backmost the large programme wherever they were trying to make perchance – and determination had been nary determination made by the ayatollah to really determination towards weaponization, but wherever they could person a weaponized strategy with a dozen-plus missiles that are atomic – nuclear-armed.
But what they don't cognize is, they didn't – and this was appropriate. I don't – I'm not criticizing administration. They didn't spell aft the enriched uranium that was Isfahan, astatine that base, due to the fact that it's buried truthful deeply. So…
MARGARET BRENNAN: They conscionable deed it with Tomahawks, not the bunker-busters.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: So, the information that they tin person inactive enriched uranium, they whitethorn person immoderate quality to inactive cascade that means they could inactive determination guardant connected thing that mightiness beryllium not delivered by a missile, but a weaponry successful a trunk of a car.
And each I don't privation is…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: … the American radical or, for that matter, our allies successful the portion to trust connected a word that was acceptable by the president earlier helium had immoderate facts.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Point taken determination connected the specifics of the rudimentary bomb.
But coming backmost to what you conscionable said, determination had been nary determination by the ultimate person to marque a weapon. Secretary of State Rubio connected this programme past Sunday told maine it was irrelevant, the reply to that question, due to the fact that Iran had everything it needed to marque and physique a weapon.
So, based connected what you know, was determination an emergency? Was determination a crushed the U.S. had to enactment successful the infinitesimal it did?
SENATOR MARK WARNER: We were connected the verge of what could person been a overmuch greater warfare successful presumption of Iran and Israel spreading to the full region.
Was determination the imminent exigency that would trigger – due to the fact that tons of presidents person looked astatine taking this action. I deliberation that's precise debatable. If, astatine the extremity of the day, we extremity up wherever this bid holds and Iran doesn't onslaught back, hallelujah.
But what we don't know, for example, is Iran going to effort to deed america connected cyber, with this medication cutting virtually fractional of our cybersecurity unit successful this country? So bash – I conscionable privation to marque definite that we bash this successful a measured way. The subject did great. We person acceptable them back.
But let's not unreal that they don't person immoderate capabilities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: And the lone mode we tin get solution connected that Margaret – and Secretary Rubio acknowledged this successful the little – is if we person boots connected the crushed with inspectors.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: That means we person got to spell to diplomacy.
If America and Iran commencement negotiating this week face-to-face…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARK WARNER: … that would beryllium good.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we were – we volition speech to the antheral who directs those boots connected the grounds potentially, the inspectors, aboriginal connected successful the programme from the IAEA.
Thank you precise much, Senator.
(CROSSTALK)
MARGARET BRENNAN: We're going to person to permission it there.
We volition beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we're joined present by Texas Republican Congressman Michael McCaul.
Good greeting to you.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-Texas): Good morning. Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, your Republican colleagues successful the Senate person been moving hard connected trying to get this measure together, and they're astir apt going to eke it past.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But that's adjacent with GOP lawmakers similar Thom Tillis saying they can't tummy what this is going to bash to Medicaid, an estimated $930 cardinal successful cuts to it.
That's much important than what you each had voted to bash successful the House. Are you going to ballot again for last transition if it looks similar this?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: No, I'm going to ballot for it for this reason.
I deliberation these numbers, it's each astir waste, fraud and maltreatment successful Medicare, Medicaid. What I'm voting for is simply a borderline information measure, $80 billion, $12 cardinal to reimburse states similar mine. I'm voting for $150 cardinal that volition spell to our Department of Defense astatine a clip erstwhile we saw, with Iran, it is desperately needed.
The satellite is connected fire, Eastern Europe, Indo-Pacific. And past the taxation cuts. I mean, if we don't widen these taxation cuts, it'll beryllium the largest taxation summation successful American history. For those 3 reasons, I'm a yes. I deliberation everyone successful the House, they cognize the peril they're successful if they ballot nary connected this thing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What bash you mean the peril they're in?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: I think, archetypal of all, it's bully for the nation.
Secondly, they cognize that their – their jobs are astatine risk.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president volition travel aft them.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Not conscionable from the president, but from the voting – the American people.
Our basal backmost location volition not reelect america to bureau if we ballot nary connected this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But is it astir reelection, oregon is it astir the policies, right?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: No. It's astir – it's astir what's – no, it's large for the country, and I person outlined the 3 apical points.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But assistance maine understand, then. You person specified constrictive margins successful the House.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you look astatine these projections from, like, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. They accidental it violates the House instructions by $500 cardinal oregon more, what the Senate conscionable enactment unneurotic here, and that deficits could emergence much than $3 trillion.
How bash you get that done erstwhile you person chap conservatives who are fiscal hawks and saying, I can't get with this, similar Chip Roy?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Not to get into the weeds connected the economics, but the dynamic scoring is not taken into relationship present by the Congressional Budget Office.
That means that, erstwhile you chopped taxes, you really get accrued revenues to the Treasury. And that's thing we saw nether President Kennedy, nether President Reagan, and nether President Bush.
(CROSSTALK)
MARGARET BRENNAN: Chip Roy and immoderate of these different fiscal conservatives are going to travel on for the ride?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Well, I deliberation – astatine the extremity of the day, I deliberation they're going to ballot for it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You do.
Let's speech astir immoderate of the threats that you mentioned determination astatine location and abroad. You've been briefed connected the actions against Iran. The IAEA manager told america present that Iran has capabilities and could beryllium up and moving wrong a substance of months.
Do you deliberation it is an overstatement by the White House oregon a mistake to state ngo accomplished?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Well, archetypal of all, I respect the IAEA. Their occupation is to inspect, not to beryllium an quality agency, truthful they don't truly person the wide quality investigation that I would property to our quality assemblage similar the CIA.
We met with Director Ratcliffe. It was not conscionable his decision. These are vocation and quality officers that person been astatine the CIA for implicit 30 years that made this appraisal that it was severely damaged and sets the programme backmost a substance of years.
In immoderate event, the satellite and the Middle East is safer contiguous than it was 7 days ago, a week ago. That is highlighted by the information that the proxies didn't airy up. Russia didn't travel to their – to their aid. China fundamentally ran backmost for cover. Iran is connected its ain and psychologically is precise damaged. The deterrence is real. The harm is real.
This was a masterful subject operation, the likes of which I haven't seen since my father's war, World War II.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, connected the homeland front, bash you past disregard these concerns astir threats? You person the National Terrorism Advisory System that says there's a heightened menace situation successful the U.S. aft the strikes.
There were national agents that arrested 11 overseas nationals from Iran, including 1 who had ties to Hezbollah. Have you seen circumstantial grounds of immoderate benignant of menace present successful the United States, oregon is it, arsenic you say, conscionable done and implicit with?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: No, I have.
We picked up 11 Iranians, 1 a sniper, 1 IRGC, different 1 a known suspected terrorist, conscionable wrong the past mates of days.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But were they readying to bash anything, oregon did they conscionable hap to person those alliances from the past?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: You know, I don't cognize each the details, but I volition archer you, the FBI briefed maine successful a antiaircraft briefing aft Soleimani was killed. I was a portion of that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Back successful 2020.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: That I was nether indictment successful Iran and that I was connected that apical people list.
So, you know, look – and is it imminent? I don't know. We person to instrumentality it earnestly that determination could beryllium sleeper cells successful the United States that could spell aft radical similar Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, you cognize – you know, myself and others that were progressive successful that decision-making, and including the president of the United States. We cognize he's been targeted.
MARGARET BRENNAN: When it comes to detention of migrants present successful the United States, it's a high, 59,000 detainees, according to ICE; 47 percent of them, though, deficiency a transgression record. Fewer than 30 percent person been convicted of crimes.
Doesn't that amusement that the numbers, these aren't the worst of the worst?
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Yes, I was a national authoritative for galore years, counterterrorism. You person to prioritize, right? I would prioritize the aggravated felons that Mayorkas fto in, successful defiance of national law.
It was shall detain. He said whitethorn detain and fto them retired into the streets. I would – I would prioritize that first.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you would similar that Homeland Security prioritize them, and not tally up the numbers the mode they are successful this…
(CROSSTALK)
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Well, I deliberation they're moving the numbers up due to the fact that 15 to 20 cardinal radical came nether the – nether the Biden administration, and they're trying to get immoderate sanity progressive successful the United States.
And I deliberation deterrence is the cardinal here. And, Margaret, it is working. You know, the apprehension complaint astatine the borderline – and Texas is…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: … the biggest 1 – has gone down to astir zero.
I mean, the borderline is conscionable astir secure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Catch and merchandise is over, and the threats are going away.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mike McCaul, Congressman, convey you precise overmuch for your insights today.
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL MCCAUL: Thanks, Margaret. Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we'll beryllium backmost with much Face the Nation.
Stay with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: For a look present astatine immoderate of the changes to America's nationalist wellness policies nether the Trump administration, we're joined by erstwhile FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who sits connected the committee astatine Pfizer and is present the president of the committee astatine Illumina.
Good morning. Good to spot you.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB (Former FDA Commissioner): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You know, Dr. Gottlieb, you worked successful the archetypal Trump administration. This 2nd Trump medication seems precise antithetic successful its attack to nationalist wellness connected a batch of fronts. One of them was truly laid bare this week with this recently remade Advisory Committee connected Immunization Practices, oregon ACIP.
Secretary Kennedy had dismissed astir 17 members of the existing committee and enactment successful immoderate members of his ain choice. And, successful a video, the president of the American Academy of Pediatrics said national immunization argumentation is – punctuation – "no longer a credible process" and it's being politicized astatine the disbursal of children.
That's a beauteous stunning statement. Do you hold with the Academy of Pediatrics?
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Look, you're right. I worked successful the archetypal Trump administration. I was fortunate to bash that and arrogant to service successful that administration. I deliberation we did a batch of important things connected nationalist health. We presided implicit the archetypal compartment and cistron therapy approvals.
The president tried to grow entree to those treatments done the close to effort authorities that helium championed. He supported the FDA connected an effort to effort to support baccy products retired of the hands of kids, grounds fig of generic approvals, and a batch of different accomplishments.
I deliberation a batch of radical connected my broadside of the governmental aisle consciousness that a batch of these policies that Secretary Kennedy is championing are – are going to beryllium contained to vaccines and not bleed into a broader nationalist wellness doctrine.
I deliberation that's not right. I deliberation there's a batch of radical present who don't deliberation these things are peculiarly political, oregon shouldn't be, and don't deliberation these decisions should beryllium politically decided who are going to find, erstwhile they spell to the doctor's office, that vaccines that they whitethorn privation to support their lives oregon the lives of their families aren't going to beryllium available.
This does look similar a governmental process close now. The caput is going aft issues that person agelong been bugaboos of him and his anti-vax group, Children's Health Defense. I don't deliberation that's unmistakable – mistakable astatine this point. And I deliberation that helium would astir apt admit that, that he's taking connected issues that he's championed for the past 20 years to restrict entree to definite vaccines.
That's going to grow. The database is growing, and it's going to commencement to beryllium precise tangible for people, and spell good beyond conscionable the COVID vaccine, which is, I think, what astir radical deliberation astir erstwhile they comprehend this administration's oregon the secretary's efforts to effort to restrict entree to vaccines.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, 1 of the circumstantial things from this gathering was proposal to debar flu vaccines containing an constituent called thimerosal.
Right astir the aforesaid clip arsenic the meeting, the CDC removed accusation from its website that debunked claims that this constituent was linked to autism. Secretary Kennedy says it's – it's journalists who are obscuring the truth.
What bash radical request to cognize astir the flu vaccine and this ingredient?
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Yes, truthful this is an aged ingredient. It's a preservative utilized successful multidose vials of flu vaccine primarily. Only a precise tiny percent of flu vaccine vials inactive incorporate it.
What it is, is an constituent that's added to multidose vials, due to the fact that those vials, you're going to spell successful and retired of with antithetic needles arsenic you administer the vaccine to antithetic patients. So they're not azygous dose injections. They're multidose vials that – chiefly utilized successful immoderate engaged clinics, astir exclusively successful adults close now.
Back successful the aboriginal 2000s, I was astatine FDA erstwhile we reformulated the vaccine, truthful we compelled manufacturers to reformulate the vaccines to instrumentality this preservative out, not due to the fact that we thought it was unsafe, but due to the fact that determination was a batch of consternation among anti-vax groups that they thought that determination was a nexus betwixt this constituent and autism.
The constituent does incorporate tiny amounts of ethylmercury, not methylmercury, ethylmercury, which is the aforesaid benignant of mercury recovered successful fish, successful precise tiny – precise tiny amounts. And truthful we compelled the manufacturers to reformulate the immense bulk of vaccines. Still, 4 percent of flu vaccines that get administered, mostly to adults, are from these multidose vials.
And this has agelong been a bugaboo of the caput and his group, the Children's Health Defense Fund. In fact, the lone presumption astatine the ACIP gathering was from the caput of that group. And you're close that determination was a countering investigation from the CDC officials asserting that there's nary nexus betwixt thimerosal and autism.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: That – that investigation was taken down from the website. The caput enactment retired a connection that said that it wasn't – it didn't spell done due review.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We're going to instrumentality a break, Dr. Gottlieb, and speech much with you connected the different broadside of this. These are analyzable issues I privation to excavation into with you.
So we anticipation each of you volition enactment with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome backmost to FACE THE NATION.
We instrumentality to our speech with erstwhile FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb.
Dr. Gottlieb, conscionable to prime backmost up, we were talking astir the gathering that took spot this past week with the recently reconstituted advisory committee connected immunization. Republican Senator Bill Cassidy, you cognize him, he's a doctor, helium has oversight and chairs the Health Committee, helium called for the gathering to beryllium canceled due to the fact that helium said there's nary CDC manager successful place, and erstwhile it comes to these appointees, helium said, "many of them bash not person important acquisition studying microbiology, epidemiology, oregon immunology." And they whitethorn person preconceived bias against mRNA vaccines.
It's – I'm not a doctor, but it seems to maine that acquisition successful immunology would beryllium important if you're advising connected immunizations. His counsel was ignored here. Is determination immoderate cheque connected Secretary Kennedy astatine this point? Is determination a request to get a CDC manager successful spot quickly?
SCOTT GOTTLIEB, M.D., (Former FBA Commissioner): Yes, well, the CDC manager had a confirmation proceeding this week, and hopefully she'll beryllium successful spot soon. I deliberation he's rather beardown and a bully prime for that job.
The board, this ACIP board, isn't afloat constituted. There's lone 7 members connected the board. At its highest rank it has astir 15. And you're right, a batch of the radical who person been appointed don't person heavy acquisition oregon immoderate experience, rather frankly, successful vaccine science. They are radical who person been ideologically aligned with Secretary Kennedy successful the past and worked with him, galore of them, not each of them. And I deliberation that that isn't thing that adjacent the caput would astir apt quality astatine this time.
And it did pb to immoderate awkward moments astatine that meeting. For example, you know, 1 subordinate had to person explained to him the quality betwixt an antibody prophylaxis and a vaccine. So, determination were grounds successful that treatment wherever the CDC directors had to supply some, rather frankly, remedial assistance to assistance little these members connected the ground of vaccine science. So, it did show.
Hopefully, erstwhile they afloat represent that board, you're going to get much equilibrium connected it. I deliberation immoderate radical are skeptical. I stay hopeful that determination volition beryllium immoderate bully members that get seated eventually.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You know, 1 of the things astir the American wellness strategy is that question of continued innovation. Earlier this month, the FDA approved a twice-yearly injection of an HIV prevention cause called Lenacapavir. How important is an innovation similar that. And fixed the situation you're talking about, volition these caller advisers get successful the mode of being capable to get those benignant of things to market?
SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Yes, this shouldn't travel earlier ACIP. So, this is simply a therapeutic. It's a long-acting antiviral that provides six months of extortion against HIV and was highly effectual astatine preventing HIV corruption successful a colonisation that was precocious hazard of contracting HIV. So, it was a alteration successful the formulation of an antiviral that allows it to beryllium administered conscionable doubly a twelvemonth and provides sustained vulnerability to the benefits of that antiviral.
We're seeing a batch of innovation similar this. There was besides quality this week from a tiny biotech institution that I don't person immoderate engagement with that they had developed a pill that could supply sustained extortion against flu. So, it's an antiviral, but it is formulated successful a mode wherever it could beryllium administered erstwhile up of flu play to supply extortion crossed the full season, and besides look to beryllium precise effective. So, we're seeing a batch of innovations similar this.
What I'm disquieted astir is innovation successful vaccine science. I enactment connected the task superior side, wherever we marque investments successful – successful caller companies. And determination has been a pullback of biotech start-ups that person been looking to make caller vaccines. For example, vaccines for Epstein-Barr virus, which we cognize is linked to definite "b"-cell lymphomas and possibly is linked to aggregate sclerosis. That – that's a caller country of science, the imaginable to vaccinate children against that, overmuch similar we vaccinate kids against HPV close present and forestall cervical crab and different types of cancers. Maybe successful the aboriginal we whitethorn beryllium vaccinating for EBV. But there's been a batch of pullback to that benignant of investment. And truthful I deliberation we're going to spot little innovation successful vaccine subject arsenic a effect of the situation we're in.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Quickly, Secretary Kennedy was asked this week astir the declarations successful immoderate states to commencement removing fluoride from water. Oklahoma made immoderate moves successful that direction. He said, "You're going to spot astir apt somewhat much cavities, but there's a nonstop inverse correlation betwixt the magnitude of fluoride successful your h2o and your nonaccomplishment of IQ." What should parents beryllium reasoning astir erstwhile they perceive things similar that?
SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Well, look, this has been a long-standing issue. Another contented that Secretary Kennedy has championed implicit his career, this perceived – this cognition that there's a nexus betwixt fluoride successful h2o and immoderate neurotoxic effects of that. That's been studied thoroughly. It's been, I think, afloat debunked. There's precise tiny amounts of fluoride successful water. And astatine the levels that it's enactment into the h2o supply, it's been demonstrated to beryllium safe.
The CDC has information showing that there's a 25 percent simplification successful dental caries (ph) arsenic a effect of fluoride that's added routinely to the h2o supply. It's not conscionable a question of accrued dental cavities, but besides oral wellness much generally, which we cognize is correlated to systemic health.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
Dr. Gottlieb, bully to get your penetration today.
We'll beryllium close back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Even the Iranians concede that the harm to 3 of their atomic sites from past week's bombing was excessive and serious, but it's a enigma arsenic to what the Iranian atomic capableness is now. Friday, we spoke with the manager wide of the International Atomic Energy Agency, oregon IAEA, Rafael Mariano Grossi, and we asked him conscionable that.
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RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI (IAEA Director General): It's wide that what happened successful peculiar successful – successful Fordow, successful Natanz, Isfahan, wherever Iran utilized to person and inactive has to immoderate grade capabilities successful presumption of treatment, conversion, and enrichment of uranium person been destroyed to an important degree. Some is inactive standing. So, determination is, of course, an important setback successful presumption of those – of those capabilities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There was astir 400 kilograms, which is conscionable nether 900 pounds, of highly enriched uranium earlier the attacks.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I cognize these are successful tiny canisters and comparatively casual to move. Do you person immoderate thought wherever that was moved and if it was moved earlier the attack?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: We presume, and I deliberation it's – it's logical to presume, that erstwhile they announced that they are going to beryllium taking protective measures, this could beryllium portion of it. But arsenic I said, we don't cognize wherever this worldly could be, oregon if portion of it could person been, you know, nether the onslaught during those 12 days. So, immoderate could person been destroyed arsenic portion of the attack, but immoderate could person been moved.
So, determination has to be, astatine immoderate point, a clarification. If we don't get that clarification, this volition proceed to beryllium hanging, you know, implicit our heads arsenic – arsenic a imaginable problem. So, this is wherefore I say, it's truthful important, archetypal of all, for Iran to let our inspectors to proceed their indispensable enactment arsenic soon arsenic possible.
MARGARET BRENNAN: If we don't cognize wherever the highly enriched uranium is, and cannot relationship for each the centrifuges, is determination inactive a hazard that they could rushing towards a bomb?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: We don't privation to beryllium alarmists here. And I don't privation to – to – to beryllium portion of a, you know, a messaging that would beryllium spreading, arsenic I say, alarm. But we request to beryllium successful a presumption to asseverate and to corroborate what is determination and – and wherever is it and – and – and what happened.
Iran had a precise vast, ambitious program. Part of it whitethorn inactive beryllium there. And if not, determination is besides the self-evident information that the cognition is there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: The concern capableness is there. Iran is simply a precise blase state successful presumption of atomic technology, arsenic is obvious. So, you cannot dis-invent this. You cannot undo the cognition that you person oregon the capacities that you have. It's a immense country, isn't it? So, I deliberation this should beryllium the inducement that we each indispensable person to recognize that subject operations are not – you are not going to lick this successful a definitive mode militarily.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Up until these strikes, Iran – Iran was inactive disclosing accusation to the IAEA successful definite amounts.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Well, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Well, determination – determination were – determination were deficits. There were deficits. There were immoderate things that they were not clarifying to us. But our inspection enactment was – was constant. In particular, successful this delicate country of the fig of centrifuges and the magnitude of material, we had cleanable view. We didn't person presumption connected different things that we wanted to have. But connected this one, it was – it was complete. It was comprehensive. And – and, of course, astatine the moment, determination is – determination is nothing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, Iran wasn't keeping its stockpile of enriched uranium secret. What bash you deliberation it was intended for? And did you spot thing that suggested that they were looking to weaponize?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: They person each of these capabilities, but for the bureau they – archetypal of all, they didn't person atomic weapons, OK? This needs to beryllium said. The IAEA does not justice intentions. The IAEA looks astatine the activities of a state and reports it to the world. So, it is countries that – that say, well, this is of interest connected a (ph).
What we were concerning – what I was acrophobic astir is that determination were different things that were not clear. For example, we person recovered traces of uranium successful – successful – successful immoderate places successful Iran which were not the normal, declared facilities. And we were asking for years, wherefore did we find these traces of enriched uranium successful spot "x," "y," oregon zed (ph). And we were simply not getting credible answers.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: There was material. Where is this material? So, determination could beryllium adjacent more. We – we – we don't know. This is wherefore we request to spell back.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that study that you gave astir immoderate of those unfastened questions oregon unanswered questions.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Iranians are pointing to it now. And the overseas curate seems to beryllium benignant of blaming you for the subject strikes. He said, it wasn't honorable and fair, your report. What bash you marque of those criticisms?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: The IAEA, arsenic always, has had a precise honorable appraisal of the situation. And determination were many, I tin guarantee you, determination were galore that they – that we're seeing (ph) successful your report, you indispensable accidental that they person atomic weapons, oregon they are precise adjacent to person atomic weapons. And we didn't. We simply didn't due to the fact that this was not what we were seeing, each right, truthful –
MARGARET BRENNAN: But you besides said you couldn't verify that it was a peaceful program.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Absolutely, due to the fact that we person to accidental everything.
MARGARET BRENNAN: People present are looking for clarity, and there's disorder successful the United States.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: CBS is reporting that the Defense Intelligence Agency assesses Iran's programme was acceptable backmost a fewer months. But erstwhile they excavation out, they could resume successful a fig of months. They person to rebuild electrical and h2o supplies. The CIA and the nationalist quality manager accidental the facilities were destroyed, and it would instrumentality years to rebuild. Israel says the subject programme is acceptable backmost galore years.
What's the information here? What bash you marque of these assessments?
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: All of that depends connected your metrics, Margaret. If you archer maine it volition instrumentality them 2 months oregon 3 months, for what?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI: The capacities they person are there. They tin have, you know, successful a substance of months, I would say, a fewer cascades of centrifuges spinning and producing enriched uranium. Or little than that. But arsenic I said, frankly speaking, 1 cannot assertion that everything has disappeared and determination is thing there. It is wide that determination person been terrible damage, but is not full damage, archetypal of all.
And secondly, Iran has the capacities there. Industrial and technological capacities. So, if they truthful wish, they volition beryllium capable to commencement doing this again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And you tin ticker our afloat interrogation with Director Grossi connected our website oregon YouTube channel, oregon perceive connected our FACE THE NATION podcast platform.
We'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We crook present to Iran's ambassador to the United Nations, Amir Saeid Iravani, who joins america from New York.
Welcome to FACE THE NATION.
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI (Iran Ambassador to the United Nations): Thank you for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ambassador, tin you springiness america immoderate clarity. Does Iran mean to reconstitute a atomic enrichment programme connected its soil?
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: You cognize that we are a subordinate – liable subordinate of the NPT. And according to the – this treaty, we person the communal rights. It means that the close of 1 broadside volition beryllium the work of the different sides. And the NPT has been defined that we person to the (ph) exclusive rights.
The archetypal is that we tin person probe connected development, we tin person the accumulation of uranium, and we tin person – usage the peaceful energy. And the 2nd close is that the ineligible extortion by the IAEA for our enactment and method corporations for our improvement programs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: And, successful return, also, it volition beryllium to close for the bureau successful this respect that they should person the afloat access, according to the safeguard cohesive (ph) –safeguard agreement.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: And the 2nd 1 is that to sphere our peaceful atomic enactment volition stay ever successful peaceful manner. So, the enrichment is our right. An inalienable right. And we privation to instrumentality this right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you bash program to restart enrichment that sounds like.
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: I deliberation that enrichment volition not – ne'er stop.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, erstwhile you notation NPT, conscionable for our listeners, you're talking astir immoderate of the planetary agreements Iran has made with the U.N., connected non-proliferation and safeguards. You mentioned the U.N. atomic inspectors.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio released a connection yesterday saying that determination were calls successful Iran – this, I believe, is from a paper that the ultimate person oversees, accusing our anterior guest, Raphael Grossi, of being an Israeli spy and calling for his apprehension and execution. To beryllium clear, is Iran threatening U.N. inspectors?
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: No, determination is not immoderate threat. It is simply a precise wide instrumentality of our parliament that they person suspended our practice with IAEA due to the fact that the bureau has not implemented their rights, their responsibility. Due to this, it is conditional law. And arsenic agelong arsenic this information has not been set, truthful are the practice with IAEA volition beryllium suspended.
But wherever it's acceptable up arsenic according to the law, truthful we tin person – resume our cooperation. But determination is not immoderate menace against the wide manager of IAEA.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, that was published successful Israel – successful Iran's Kayhan newspaper. Your overseas curate did besides accidental that the IAEA and Grossi himself are malign successful intent. Are the IAEA personnel, are the inspectors already wrong Iran harmless and tin they spell backmost to their enactment of inspecting your sites?
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: Exactly. They are successful Iran. They are successful the harmless conditions. But enactment has been suspended. They cannot person entree to our site. But possibly immoderate 1 idiosyncratic sentiment of the radical that whitethorn knock the IAEA oregon menace the wide director. But we knock IAEA. We – our appraisal is that they person not done their jobs, truthful they failed and they prepared and wage large (ph) for specified aggravation against us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I ideate that you would condemn the calls for his execution?
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: President Trump's –
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, and I know, and you're speaking to america from the U.N.
President Trump said Friday that Iranian officials privation to conscionable with him, personally, and helium said that volition beryllium soon. Mr. Ambassador, is Tehran readying to driblet this request of indirect connection with the United States, and volition you beryllium statesman speaking with the Trump administration?
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: See we're consenting (ph) the negotiation, but due to the fact that we cognize that immoderate quality betwixt Iran and the United States oregon different portion of the JCPOA cannot beryllium resolved without dialog and utilizing the peaceful means for – to resoluteness this dispute. So, we are successful the negotiation, we are acceptable for the negotiation. But aft this aggression, it is not due information for a caller circular of the negotiation. And determination is nary petition for dialog and gathering with the president.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the United States is wanting to conscionable with Iran to talk. And portion the ultimate person issued a connection saying Iran had dealt the U.S. a slap successful the face, aft that, President Trump said helium had really stopped Israel from going further and had stopped Israel from an effort to termination your ultimate leader. Why not instrumentality the connection of a diplomatic lifeline? Because helium seems to beryllium offering one.
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: Oh, it is simply a precise gross usurpation of planetary instrumentality that they're treating the ultimate person of the Islamic Republic of Iran oregon immoderate heads of our state. They person impunity from immoderate attacks. So, we should recognize that what is the rule and information for immoderate negotiation. Negotiation is – has its – the principles, and it is simply a springiness and instrumentality process. So we should prosecute successful the dialog and sermon with this bid (ph) possibly we scope to a decision oregon not. But unconditional surrender is not dialog –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
AMIR SAEID IRAVANI: – it is dictating the argumentation towards us. If they are acceptable for negotiation, they volition find america acceptable for that. But if they privation to dictate us, it is intolerable for immoderate dialog with them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Ambassador, convey you for your clip today. We volition beryllium watching and waiting to spot if determination are immoderate diplomatic opportunities.
We'll beryllium close back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Our Imtiaz Tyab is successful Iran and filed this reporter's notebook. We privation to note, the Iranian authorities is monitoring our CBS' team's movements there.
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IMTIAZ TYAB (voice over): We started our travel from the Turkish/Iranian borderline astatine night. A astir 600-mile travel made longer by cheque points and atrocious roads.
IMTIAZ TYAB: We've already been driving for 10 hours and person different 4 hours up of us.
IMTIAZ TYAB (voice over): When we reached Tehran, we recovered the metropolis dilatory coming backmost to life. With the ceasefire appearing to hold, immoderate had started to task out. And aft days of silence, Ayatollah Ali Khomeini spoke successful a taped address, wherever helium lashed retired astatine Israel and the U.S., saying, Iran had, quote, "delivered a slap to America's face."
Fatima Mohajarani (ph) is the Iranian government's spokeswoman who told america President Trump's determination to weaponry 3 of Iran's atomic facilities was a mistake.
"What happened was a slug the diplomacy," she said, "but from the constituent of presumption of Iran, diplomacy has nary end."
At Friday prayers, the truest believers successful the Islamic republic.
IMTIAZ TYAB: Here successful theocratic Iran, religion and authorities don't conscionable spell manus successful hand, they're inseparable from each other. And, arsenic expected, you tin perceive chants of "death to America" and "death to Israel."
IMTIAZ TYAB (voice over): In the women's section, much anger.
IMTIAZ TYAB: What is your connection to President Trump?
IMTIAZ TYAB (voice over): She said, "hands disconnected Iran, Trump. This is not your homeland."
Our adjacent halt was to a well-to-do vicinity successful Tehran, wherever the scars of warfare were wide to see.
On Saturday, hundreds of thousands of mourners gathered successful Tehran for the authorities funerals of apical subject commanders, atomic scientists, and women and children killed successful Israeli attacks.
IMTIAZ TYAB: What's truly been striking astatine this objection is, yes, determination are galore radical present who are precise supportive of the Iranian leadership, but we've met radical from crossed the governmental spectrum who stock successful their choler and successful their grief.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That's our Imtiaz Tyab reporting from Tehran.
That's it for america today. Thank you each for watching. Until adjacent week. For FACE THE NATION, I'm Margaret Brennan.
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